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Old 12/06/11, 3:15 AM   #151
Nathyiel
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Goblin Mage
 
Sargeras (EU)
It's all depends on what role your assigned to. Did you AOE the blood? Are you on corruption watching?

The decision on what spec to use on each fight depend on a lot of parameters like buff/debuff in your group, placement, assignation, etc. As a raid lead, you have to choose what is better. As a player, you have to suggest what can be good.

As an example, you can suggest to switch Frost for Blackhorn. It's really help your heal.

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Old 12/11/11, 4:49 AM   #152
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Worgen Mage
 
Rexxar (EU)
What do you think about:
[Rathrak, the Poisonous Mind]
[Ti'tahk, the Steps of Time]
[Lightning Rod]

I know that the legendary staff will be BiS, but just considering to the given loot of DS: What would be BiS?

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Old 12/15/11, 7:57 AM   #153
Swindley
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Frostwhisper (EU)
Originally Posted by Applicable View Post
Surely this has to have been mentioned somewhere, but I can't find it with the searches I've tried.

Is it correct to assume that stopping a fireball cast to reapply LB is a bad thing?
Same with stopping for Hot Streak procs and flame orb?
Yes it is bad, do not interrupt your casts for either of those.

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Old 12/16/11, 6:26 AM   #154
Fùmble
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Runetotem (EU)
with fire spec, 4T12 and [Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest] should i reforge for 2005 haste cap then crit or all to haste to better exploit the staff proc as rawr is suggesting me ?

Last edited by Fùmble : 12/16/11 at 7:37 AM.

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Old 12/16/11, 8:10 AM   #155
Swindley
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Originally Posted by Fùmble View Post
with fire spec, 4T12 and [Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest] should i reforge for 2005 haste cap then crit or all to haste to better exploit the staff proc as rawr is suggesting me ?
I don't see how the proc on the staff would change any values for haste/crit.

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Old 12/16/11, 8:26 AM   #156
Fùmble
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Runetotem (EU)
Originally Posted by Swindley View Post
I don't see how the proc on the staff would change any values for haste/crit.
I suppose (but i can be wrong) more haste = more cast in a fight = more chance to proc

I don't know but with any other staff equipped rawr suggests me to reforge for the haste cap then crit, with it equipped all to haste.

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Old 12/16/11, 5:39 PM   #157
Kavan
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Kilrogg
From what I've been playing with in Rawr all I can say is that going for crit or going for haste thresholds can sometimes result in very similar dps depending on your gear. Which one edges better seems to depend largely on what gear you have available, so those swings are very likely to happen. In general value of haste is always lower than crit, the only reason why haste wins sometimes is the thresholds and which ones are worth it all depends on how much room you have available with reforging. I'm still investigating to see how well this correlates with in game performance.

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Old 12/16/11, 6:11 PM   #158
Skorp
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Blackrock
I retract this question, sorry

Last edited by Skorp : 12/16/11 at 6:40 PM.

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Old 12/21/11, 7:05 AM   #159
Gregory
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Frostmane (EU)
When I had 4t12 Rawr adviced me to reforge everything to haste (was >2700). Now when I have 2t13 and 2t12 crit is better again. May be value of crit goes lower with higher proc chance from 4t12?

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Old 12/28/11, 10:11 AM   #160
magequist
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for arcane, should instant cast spells (ABarr, FB, IL) be prioritized over keeping AB debuff stacked while not standing still on fights requiring a lot of movement? I am trying out both ways (currently on Warmaster Blackhorn normal) and getting mixed results.

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Old 12/29/11, 1:16 PM   #161
GnomerTerp
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Windrunner
Originally Posted by Kavan View Post
From what I've been playing with in Rawr all I can say is that going for crit or going for haste thresholds can sometimes result in very similar dps depending on your gear. Which one edges better seems to depend largely on what gear you have available, so those swings are very likely to happen. In general value of haste is always lower than crit, the only reason why haste wins sometimes is the thresholds and which ones are worth it all depends on how much room you have available with reforging. I'm still investigating to see how well this correlates with in game performance.
Any word on your research here Kavan? It is kinda funny reforging to over 3200 haste and then picking up a new minor upgrade and reforging and gemming everything back to crit and just over the 2005 haste mark.

Also, how do I tell rawr to optimize the items I have +50 int gems in without it assuming I have an unlimited supply of them? I've just thrown them into all of my BiS gear I've accumulated so far, but I'm ignoring all of my firelands gear until it's replaced.

Edit: I should note just from personal experience that I've noticed little difference in the two setups. I've seen crit slightly more valuable on a fight like yor'sahj where you want a high ignite combustion and fast. But other than that, my ultraxion dps with high crit vs. high haste was right about where rawr said it would be (i.e. minor difference).

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Old 12/29/11, 1:26 PM   #162
GnomerTerp
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Windrunner
Originally Posted by magequist View Post
for arcane, should instant cast spells (ABarr, FB, IL) be prioritized over keeping AB debuff stacked while not standing still on fights requiring a lot of movement? I am trying out both ways (currently on Warmaster Blackhorn normal) and getting mixed results.
I'm pretty sure that depends entirely on how much you're actually moving. If you can adjust slightly and not lose too much downtime, I'm pretty sure you can just keep AB stacked. If you're running around like a chicken with it's head cutoff and getting an AB out with just enough time to keep the stack your mostly likely better off using your instant casts.

But on normal warmaster you should be able to plant your feet for a long enough time to keep stacks and spam AB. Don't forget that the ship can take quite a beating, so letting a few small bombs hit is certainly ok.

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Old 12/29/11, 7:36 PM   #163
Kavan
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Originally Posted by GnomerTerp View Post
Any word on your research here Kavan? It is kinda funny reforging to over 3200 haste and then picking up a new minor upgrade and reforging and gemming everything back to crit and just over the 2005 haste mark.

Also, how do I tell rawr to optimize the items I have +50 int gems in without it assuming I have an unlimited supply of them? I've just thrown them into all of my BiS gear I've accumulated so far, but I'm ignoring all of my firelands gear until it's replaced.

Edit: I should note just from personal experience that I've noticed little difference in the two setups. I've seen crit slightly more valuable on a fight like yor'sahj where you want a high ignite combustion and fast. But other than that, my ultraxion dps with high crit vs. high haste was right about where rawr said it would be (i.e. minor difference).
Not much beyond my findings on ignite I posted in the other thread. It seems that in light of the data the ignite model in simc will have to be updated, but right now we don't have a replacement theory. What we would need at this point is to collect more examples where munching/rolling would be expected and see the likelihood of that actually happening or any other pattern that the previous theory didn't find. Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to help with this, so it would be nice if someone more invested in fire would take a look at this.

If results from rawr are valid, then both setups can be very close depending on gear and mainly a playstyle choice. If you don't like it to pick whichever it thinks is better at the moment, or just prefer one of the playstyles, I would suggest you enter optimization constraints on crit or haste to guide it to your preferred setup.

Regarding the epic gems, I would suggest you disable epic gem templates, mark items that you put epic gems in with blue diamonds and then enable regemming in optimizer. That way it will keep using your existing items with epic gems, but will only regem with normal ones.

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Old 01/01/12, 8:16 AM   #164
aranthar
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Draenei Mage
 
Outland (EU)
weapons

Haven't been able to find out the number for weapons. I have no skill what so ever with calculating what are the best weapons and such.
so I'm wondering if anyone have calculated the difference of the weapons in this tier?(nerfed legendary included)

reagards Aranthar

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Old 01/02/12, 7:31 PM   #165
KroLeXz
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Did they fix ignite munching?

I know prior best way to get clean ignites was to stand at a distance - max distance if possible.

But, I'm getting better ignites the closer I'm to the target - allowing me to stack ignites easier (less travel time)

I'm on an iphone right now and its annoying to write everything down - I know someone had posted something on current ignite munching model and distance calculations. Can anyone link?

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