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Old 09/20/11, 11:00 AM   #121
Lileith
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Mage
 
Illidan (EU)
Just got Dragonwrath yesterday, and I've been wondering if someone could share his experience regarding Dragonwrath proc, ignite munching, and Alyzrazor.

Should I switch to another weapon during the burst/combustion phase to prevent ignite munching? Assuming I usually spec out of Hotstreak on Alyz.

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Old 09/21/11, 5:09 PM   #122
zimzamzoom
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Drenden
Very quick question: Is [Sorrowsong] over Mirror or VPLC worth the massive Int loss for heroic rag (10m)? We are struggling with P3/P4 atm and I thought it would give a nice boost on our way to get only one meteor.

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Old 09/23/11, 5:59 PM   #123
Telpin
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Alonsus (EU)
alysrazor P3

hi
for alysrazor P3 after flying and having the buff i have 2 questions (fire)

because of the crit buff from getting 24 stacks crits are garunteed during the buff
this leads to massive ignite stacking - which i abuse by waiting then using the moonwell chalice (+dot damage) and comb as a macro together

1) with pyro procs - does a proc followed by a normal cast (GCD + cast time) let ignite tick and drop half?
should i be casting the more regular fireball (1 sec GCD with buff) on phase 3 to stack ignite?

2) does combustion have its crit% follow your current crit% or does it get fixed on cast?
should i use combustion with 10s to go (all during 100% crit time) or at 1s to go (max ignite)

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Old 09/23/11, 11:30 PM   #124
Eylirria
Piston Honda
 
Pandaren Mage
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Telpin View Post
hi
for alysrazor P3 after flying and having the buff i have 2 questions (fire)

because of the crit buff from getting 24 stacks crits are garunteed during the buff
this leads to massive ignite stacking - which i abuse by waiting then using the moonwell chalice (+dot damage) and comb as a macro together

1) with pyro procs - does a proc followed by a normal cast (GCD + cast time) let ignite tick and drop half?
should i be casting the more regular fireball (1 sec GCD with buff) on phase 3 to stack ignite?

2) does combustion have its crit% follow your current crit% or does it get fixed on cast?
should i use combustion with 10s to go (all during 100% crit time) or at 1s to go (max ignite)
First of all, Combustion doesn't benefit from MWC, at all. You have to pop MWC at the start of your burn, to make sure your ignites are bigger. Combustion itself doesn't benefit from it.

You should spec out of Hotstreak (both HSs) for this. Getting the proc is the surefire way of messing it up and doing exactly what you said.

Lastly, you need to Combustion with 10 seconds left for guaranteed crits on all ticks.

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Old 09/24/11, 12:28 AM   #125
talchas
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Mage
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Eylirria View Post
First of all, Combustion doesn't benefit from MWC, at all. You have to pop MWC at the start of your burn, to make sure your ignites are bigger. Combustion itself doesn't benefit from it.
Actually this is exactly the opposite - only the amount of mastery at the time of casting combustion matters for combustion's damage. Presumably the server's ignite dot information includes the raw pre-mastery size, which is then used by the combustion spell to contribute to pre-mastery dps. You can test this easily on any training dummies.

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Old 10/12/11, 4:39 PM   #126
TMoe
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Azshara (EU)
I haven´t seen something on this Topic or maybe I´m just missing it but is it wise to clip Arcane Missiles ?

I´ve been trying a bit and my results vary. If I cast AM to clear my AB Debuff, while im in the Conservation Phase, and my Mana allows it I begin to cast AB as soon as the GCD from AM gets off. Thats about 3 Missiles flying until I start casting AB. My thinking is that more AB´s = more DPS but I dont see a big increase to casting a full AM before resuming AB casting.
Has someone done the Math on this ?

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Old 10/12/11, 9:22 PM   #127
Kavan
Bald Bull
 
Gnome Mage
 
Kilrogg
Here's an example comparison of the mana neutral cycle depending on how many AM ticks you use:

2 ticks: 22414.00 dps
3 ticks: 23462.60 dps
4 ticks: 23196.22 dps
5 ticks: 23346.97 dps

So there does seem to be some benefit to clipping at 3 ticks, but it's probably highly dependent on you clipping at the very right time to not waste time. Would probably need more data on how spell queuing interacts with clipping to be more sure.

EDIT: The above effect seems to be related to 3 tick AM using gcd queue time in Rawr model compared to channel queue time for the others. Setting latency time to 0 in all cases gives:

3 ticks: 23580.87 dps
4 ticks: 23723.98 dps
5 ticks: 23843.85 dps

Last edited by Kavan : 10/12/11 at 9:59 PM.

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Old 10/16/11, 3:03 PM   #128
fateswarm
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Goblin Mage
 
Lightning's Blade (EU)
Are critical chance bufs the only modifiers that affect the tick damage or other behavior of a DOT when they are altered during its effect, and if yes, does intellect do it as well, since it indirectly provides critical chance?

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Old 10/16/11, 5:36 PM   #129
talchas
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Troll Mage
 
Scarlet Crusade
As far as I know, only crit chance affects dots without some sort of refresh event (I know for sure that spellpower, int-spellpower, haste, and mastery don't affect at least fire mage dots). I'd assume that int's crit contribution does, but I have not tested it (and am frankly not willing to spend the hours needed to at 85). In fact, the only contribution I have seen tested is the flat percentage chance given by Alysra's Razor.

If someone did want to double-check crit _rating_, and possibly int, probably the least painful way would be a level ~10 caster with full heirlooms and changing gear sets with a dot on a dummy.

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Old 10/22/11, 6:58 PM   #130
dune1
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Eonar
Ok I need help with Arcane. I have read many forums and have noticed they ALL vary on stat priorities. So I decided to do one that makes most sense. Int > Hit to cap > Haste to soft cap > Mastery > Crit

Here is my armory so you can see my stats - Spearmint @ Eonar - Game - World of Warcraft

I know that the soft haste cap is 13.8 (goblins without t11) I had to do 14.11 because I needed hit capped.

I am currently doing 18-20k dps on bosses with 35k burns. Is that the highest I can go at my ilvl?

Does it make sense to stack more crit? It seems that most of our damage comes because of the high crits. I don't really know what else to do right now to raise my dps (outside of item upgrades).

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Old 10/27/11, 3:10 PM   #131
zimzamzoom
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Drenden
Is anyone aware of the new proc % for DTR specifically for mages, after the advertised reduction in 4.3? The warlock forum is talking about a 8.5% proc chance now, as opposed to 17% before. I believe mages were getting around 11% proc before; if they are halving the chance, then we could see a new chance of 5.5% - does this number match anyone's testing?

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Old 10/27/11, 8:54 PM   #132
Guac
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Hyjal
I kept Living Bomb up on 3 target dummies with no other spells for a few minutes and was able to get 38 procs out of 680 ticks, which comes to 5.6%. The 5.5% estimate seems pretty accurate.

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Old 11/03/11, 9:42 AM   #133
Aladdon
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Human Mage
 
Runetotem (EU)
http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t121486-cataclysm_mage_simple_questions_answers_read_firs

For now Arcane explosion is the way to go for an arcane mage for the best AOE. Whith even de ABx4 stack up for 5sec, we do a lot of damage.

My question is if it would give even more dps if you would do
ABx4- AE-AE-AE AB AE-AE-AE AB
Instead of
ABx4 AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-AE-

with other words you keep the AB stack up on 4 delivering 52% more damage with AE but lose one AE and get a AB instead)

Any sugestions?

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Old 11/03/11, 6:45 PM   #134
ygritte
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Shattered Halls
I have <1200 haste and 5% raid buff and I can easily AB - 4x AE- AB -4x AE
and I do have better results than pure AE

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Old 11/03/11, 10:09 PM   #135
Esarael
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Azralon
I have 1151 haste, to be precise, and I've had the same experience as ygritte.

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