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Kehly · 10/11/07, 10:14 PM

Afternoon all,

I am trying to squeeze a bit more dps out of my frost mage and wondered if anyone here has any suggestions?

I am currently deep frost - 10/0/51 and I have gear that compliments the build as best I can. I do use quartz and stopcasting macros. I am working on getting better gems and 2 badges off the cloak available pending one dropping from Maulgar or Prince.

Here are some links to some recentish webstats - here, here and here.

Up against 4 other fire mages in my guild, so you can imagine the crap I cop

Morriel · 10/12/07, 1:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anaxo

For a workable AM build, it seems like all you really need is the [Mystical Skyfire Diamond] and a good shadow priest/high Judgment of Wisdom uptime. You don't need [The Lightning Capacitor] to use AM spam, but its synergy with AM is amazing enough that few other trinkets come close to the additional DPS it offers.

As per your quote if i was looking to switch to the AM build but don't have access to most of the re-reqs that you have listed.

Is it still worth re-specing and re-gemming to be able to get the Diamond to work, or should i just stick with deep fire 10/48/03 till i get my hands on 2 peace t5 and then make the switch ?

Armory Link = The World of Warcraft Armory

Pinsor · 10/12/07, 2:11 AM

Well, currently on mage forums we are seeing that the internal cooldown is going to be around 30s - 45s so it will possible be a substantial nerf to those AM spam mages who were getting a nice chain of MSD procs. That being said, even if we get a 10% chance to proc (which would never happen), the 45s cooldown is really hurting to an AM spamming mage since it really doesn't matter that ever tick of AM now properly triggers the affect.

Your goal with AM spam was to have 5 chances per AM rotation to get another MSD proc. That no longer can happen quite as often.

Until we can get some hard PTR numbers up 10/47/3+1 will definitely still be a nice dps spec for mages.

grayrest · 10/12/07, 2:27 AM

Originally Posted by Pinsor

Well, currently on mage forums we are seeing that the internal cooldown is going to be around 30s - 45s.

I'm seeing nothing of the sort. The only references to cooldowns on the forums are people posting numbers just to say "gotcha". I'd test it myself, but my wow-capable machine is out of service.

Dustwhisper · 10/12/07, 2:42 AM

One very important thing to remember with any mana-intensive spec like arcane is one simple fact, it synergises heavily with raid-dps. The higher your raid-dps and thus the faster the boss goes down, the more viable the spec is. Guilds learning Gruul or even learning SSC/TK fights that can drag upto 10 minutes quite easily will often not be the best learning-place for arcanemages imo.

Pinsor · 10/12/07, 2:52 AM

Originally Posted by grayrest

I'm seeing nothing of the sort. The only references to cooldowns on the forums are people posting numbers just to say "gotcha". I'd test it myself, but my wow-capable machine is out of service.

It helps to go past the first page. Furthermore, I is going to be around so we are looking at an a educated estimate based on other internal proc cooldowns such as Shiffar's or RoES. We cannot expect anythign less than 30 nor anything more than a minute. My best guess is 45s. Why? Well if it currently procs at 5%, then having a 1 minute CD on a 5% proc is hardly worthwhile. So Blizz is uping the proc rate, to what we don't know. I assume it might go to around 7% and have a 45s CD which would be balanced and not drastically destroy the AM spamming mages.

manly · 10/12/07, 2:59 AM

What? No I'm sorry I'm probably out of AM spam spec if the cooldown is above 10s. I might go as far as 15s if the procrate is 10%, otherwise I'm definately back to fire.

Do you even realize that a lot of posted parse include 18-20 focus procs on a 4-5min fight? I even have a ROS phase 3 parse with 9 focus procs within 1 min. If my number of focus proc goes from 18-20 to 5-6 that is pretty much it.

Dustwhisper · 10/12/07, 4:38 AM

MSD nerf has been verified by 2.3 patch-notes, the CD seems to be 45s from reports though I haven't seen anything verified on that except multiple posts from mages supposedly having tested.

Skinkelinken · 10/12/07, 5:37 AM

Need som help, i respeced arcane from fire and go gear with to much hit and to little crit.
Best rotation for me seem to be a AB rotation with fireball fill

I use spellstrike pants / head and Im wondering if I should switch to mercilless head to get the MSD available?

selfbuffed stats:
1250 + damage
20% critt
135 hit

Pintofbrew · 10/12/07, 5:51 AM

Vishal:

Unless I'm mistaken Flame Cap falls under the same CD as mana stones as it's "other beneficial item" and thus you can't flame-cap and serpent-coil braid at the same time. If you have a macro to do that, you're probably just not noticing that your mana stones aren't getting eaten.

Anaxo · 10/12/07, 6:10 AM

Originally Posted by Kehly

Afternoon all,

I am trying to squeeze a bit more dps out of my frost mage and wondered if anyone here has any suggestions?

I see nothing horribly wrong with your talents or gear. You do lack a little in hit though, but that's not unusual at the T4 level. As that you are exalted Scryers, I hope you have the [Scryer's Bloodgem] for boss fights. Your socketing pattern shows a habit of going after the socket bonuses, a choice I disagree with. Given the low raw stats on the tailored epics, 16 extra stamina from the socket bonuses will hardly save you once you pull aggro. You should ignore those socket bonuses for more spell damage and hit.

Originally Posted by Morriel

As per your quote if i was looking to switch to the AM build but don't have access to most of the re-reqs that you have listed.

Is it still worth re-specing and re-gemming to be able to get the Diamond to work, or should i just stick with deep fire 10/48/03 till i get my hands on 2 peace t5 and then make the switch ?

Armory Link = The World of Warcraft Armory

As of right now, due to the current 2.3 patch notes indicating a big nerf to the AM/MSD combo, I would hold off on regearing for an AM build. It's still early and people have yet to test how drastic the change is. There is no solid verified information out on how much the increase to proc chance will be and what the hidden cooldown is.

Skinkelinken: same response regarding the MSD. Wait. Also, do you have access to 2 piece T5? AB rotations are not viable if you do not have the set bonus.

vishal · 10/12/07, 6:30 PM

hey guys,

would like to start of with saying thanks for the advice on previous questions, i am just curious, in 2.3 can a shadowpriest be beaten by a fire mage vs single target dps, like boss.

Sorry to change the topic but just curious.

I am not sure if it is my spec or my gear but atm my Shadowpriest friend owns me in dps if its single target and if he is trying. I am just curious if its my skill, my gear choice or just that its not possible. Any advice will be helpfull, here are the relevant data,

my spec: firemage:
The World of Warcraft Armory

his spec: shadowpriest:
The World of Warcraft Armory

again thank you in advance, i have been trying my best to beat him but it seems if no aoe then i can't beat him if he is serious.. which kind of irritates me seeing how shadowpriest have been nerfed.. if its my skill then oviously i will work my ass to beat him but if its gear and i can't do anything about it, then i will be somewhat satisfied.

Ambril · 10/13/07, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by vishal

I am not sure if it is my spec or my gear but atm my Shadowpriest friend owns me in dps if its single target and if he is trying. I am just curious if its my skill, my gear choice or just that its not possible.

You are not being out dpsed because of your gear. I'd assume that it is a skill issue. Which isn't necessarily to say that you're awful. He might simply be an amazing player. Either way, there is probably room for improvement for you, though there is no way for anyone here reading this to know what those areas where you can improve are apart from simply blurting out a bunch of common mage playstyle adages which may or may not be insightful or applicable to you.

Ambril · 10/13/07, 1:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pintofbrew

Vishal:Unless I'm mistaken Flame Cap falls under the same CD as mana stones as it's "other beneficial item" and thus you can't flame-cap and serpent-coil braid at the same time. If you have a macro to do that, you're probably just not noticing that your mana stones aren't getting eaten.

Not only does it share the cooldown with mana gems, it ties up the cooldown for 3 minutes instead of 2. Flame Cap seems sort of weak as an opening consumable to me for that reason. It would seem best to save it for near or under 20% (during Molten Fury) when/if you are not likely to need another mana gem.

manly · 10/13/07, 4:54 AM

You mean you need mana as fire spec ? Most of the time I don't even use more than 1 or 2 ticks of evocation - when I use it. So much for 2pc t6 set bonus.