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Old 04/17/08, 10:30 AM   #736
galzohar
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Darksorrow (EU)
A 9 damage gem and a 8 hit rating gem give an obvious total of 9 damage 8 hit.
2 5 dam / 4 hit gems give 10 damage and 8 hit
- same gem slot count and more damage.
To be honest you should never really be at a gear level where 8 hit gems are needed for hit cap, so if you run into the "what should I swap my 8 hit gems with?" question you already made some gearing mistakes it's all about if you're willing to replace double the amount of gems in order to gain 1 spell damage each or not - but if I had 8 hit gems in my gear I'd feel bad enough to take the time to farm the gold and fix it


If you're doing good with a bad spec (not to mention bad gear) then you're not really doing good, it's just the people you group with are that much more terrible and you can do that much better.

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Old 04/17/08, 10:37 AM   #737
Luthus
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Draenei Paladin
 
Vek'nilash
Originally Posted by galzohar View Post
I don't see why you connect fire with going oom and arcane with not going oom, it's the exact opposite, with arcane always going oom due to spamming AB to get any reasonable DPS while fire can only spend as much mana as fireball costs. Your extra int and regen from the arcane tree are a joke when compared to the mana inefficiency.

Yeah arcane will AOE better but to be honest even on morogrim the fight will probably be decided more by doing a bit more DPS on him than doing a bit more DPS on the murlocs that get mowed easily anyway.
I connect fire with going oom ONLY when doing heavy aoe dmg, since I don't have 2pc t-5 I wasn't (and I may be wrong) spamming AB I was a arcane/fire spec keeping up my scorches and spamming Fireballs in between waves.

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Old 04/17/08, 1:10 PM   #738
Gukreb
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Zul'Jin
Rudyrocky,

The best gems you could use based on your armory profile are in order

Don Julio's Heart - 14 dmg
Runed Ornate Ruby - 12 dmg
Runed Crimson Spinel - 12 Dmg
Reckless Pyrestone - 6 dmg, 5 haste
Quick Lionseye - 10 Haste
Potent Pyrestone - 6 dmg, 5 Crit
Runed Living Ruby - 9 Dmg

The question is how much gold do you have to spend on them, since most of these are a tad pricey. The Runed living Ruby's are relatively innexpensive (abt 50 gold on my server), compared to a few hundred each for the better ones. So that is likely your best bet, unless you have thousands of gold to spend.



Edited to correct the description's of the gems listed.

Last edited by Gukreb : 04/17/08 at 3:36 PM.

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Old 04/17/08, 1:38 PM   #739
Raencloud
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Gnome Mage
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Gukreb View Post
Rudyrocky,

The best gems you could use based on your armory profile are in order

Don Julio's Heart - 14 dmg
Runed Ornate Ruby - 12 dmg
Runed Crimson Spinel - 6 dmg / 5 haste
Reckless Pyrestone - 10 Haste
Quick Lionseye - 6 dmg / 5 Crit
Potent Pyrestone - 9 Dmg

The question is how much gold do you have to spend on them, since most of these are a tad pricey.
Hmmm you messed up at the Runed Ornate Ruby / Runed Crimson Spinel area there. More importantly, I don't think it's worth socketing his Karazhan gear with epic gems tbh.

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Old 04/17/08, 1:49 PM   #740
MagePryde
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Human Mage
 
Smolderthorn
Originally Posted by Pintofbrew View Post
MagePryde: Like another poster I assumed wrongly you were in fact advocating 33/28/0 rather than the 28/33/0 you're specced currently. There is no logical reason behind speccing it, indeed, you're missing extremely fundamental talents of both hybrid arcane-fire and full-fire typical specs. Many of your talents could be swapped for a dramatic improvement, even at your low gear-level. Everything in Arcane (except perhaps Presence of Mind) past Arcane Concentration is worthless. It's debatable whether there's a point to Arcane Mind, given you're probably mashing Fireblast to improve on your dps. From fire you've missed out Imp. Scorch, which is needless to say, is between 12% and 15% more DPS on a boss-fight. You've missed Molten Fury, which is the whole point of Fire and Pyromania, as well as Empowered Fireball which is probably the most fundamental fire talent after Molten Fury.

Looking at the rest of your gear also indicates sloppy and hap-hazard itemization. You lack a glyph on your head, a patch on your pants and an enchantment on your shoulders. Your weapon, gloves, boots, chest and bracers are enchanted with junk that does not help you as much as it could/should. Your gemming is mostly random and your overall hit rate is bordering on deadly-low.

Priorities for you, are in order of importance:

Read well the first page of this thread. It is by no means wholly accurate, but for your playing bracket it is exceptionally well-written and informative. I don't say this to demean, I say this because I honestly think there's knowledge about being a raiding mage you are not taking note of. The fact that the first page may not reflect the exact, up-to-date conditions and situation of mage T6+ raiding is irrelevant to you.

Decide on a well-established spec for you to follow (at this point in your raiding, any pure spec will work fine. Full Frost (10+/0/42+), Full Fire (2/48/11 or 10/48/3), Arcane-Frost (40/0/21) or Arcane-Fire (eg.40/18/3) only selecting talents you understand will increase your DPS. Prismatic Cloak, Blazing Speed, Imp. Mana Shield and other junk does not make you output more. This is why we call them "fillers" and avoid them like plague. It's fine speccing them for when you can't get anything else, but it's not when you skip fundamental and obvious talents like Pyromania, Molten Fury, Imp. Scorch, Arcane Instability, Spell Power and Arcane Power.

Max your tailoring, get all BoP epic tailoring gear of either frost or fire/arcane. Get appropriate enchants/patches/glyphs for your gear. Tune your gems to be hit/dmg till you're hitcapped (124 frost 164 fire, both assuming you spec Elemental Precision and there's no excuse not to) and not random mish-mash of penetration, int etc.

Understand what you're lacking and hunt items to suit: You need Hit rate more than anything else to compete in a raid past trash, and you need a lot of it. Belt of Blasting, the gloves from Attumen, the Cenarion-rep Exhalted ring and the Scryer's revered Trinket will all make you much more effective at raiding.
I am well aware of how bad my 'magery' is. I have been trying hard to get better at it and do what needs to be done to outshine the warlocks and other dps casters in kara (being i can't sheep anything =( ). To be honest i don't have a clue as to why i didn't go with imp. scorch, and i'm fairly sure i took mana shield as a filler to get arcane med. Thanks for the help, i really do appreciate it.

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Old 04/17/08, 4:16 PM   #741
Rustyshrapnel
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Human Mage
 
Medivh
Karazhan is the BEST ZONE because you CAN'T sheep anything. Trust me. If I could go an entire raid night where the officers were like okay mages, just sit back and cruise on this trash, pew pew pew, I'd cry of happiness.

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Old 04/17/08, 4:32 PM   #742
manly
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Mal'Ganis
Well, I don't sheep in hyjal either. We used to sheep the casters, but we quickly switched to SOC spam instead / MC.

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Old 04/18/08, 8:34 AM   #743
rudyrocky
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Staghelm
Thanks for the gem advice. I purchased my legwraps of sweltering flame and re-gemmed. I used all +9 runed living rubies, and the difference in spell damage was incredible. Thanks for all the help.


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Old 04/18/08, 11:47 AM   #744
Zooch
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Human Mage
 
Mug'thol
After about a month of inactivity due to lack of certain classes, my guild has been able to rise from the ashes and start doing some real progression. As soon as we had the correct numbers we 1-shot Leo (SSC), skipped TK, 1-shot the first three Hyjal bosses, and wiped 4 times on the first BT boss because idiots couldn't click the spines fast enough (we did kill him 5th attempt though). This was done in roughly 1 week (over 3 raid days).

I'm always in the top 3 dps, usually sitting 1st or 2nd (with my deep fire build). I like being on the very top, but I don't see this lasting long due to people gearing up and learning how to maximize their dps during the fights. Here's my current wishlist:

[Bracers of Nimble Thought] [Hatefury Mantle]: [Wand of the Forgotten Star]
[Chronicle of Dark Secrets]

And here is my current armory:

The World of Warcraft Armory

Is there something I should be changing about this? Maybe an item I'm missing? I have T5 pants but I don't even think it's worth replacing spellstrike at this point even with hood of hexing because I'm already hit capped.

EDIT: I will actually be OVER the hit cap by 28. I can take off 10 hit rating from gems on my spellstrike set but that still leaves me 18 points over the cap. Suggestions are GREATLY appreciated.

Last edited by Zooch : 04/18/08 at 11:56 AM.

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Old 04/18/08, 11:49 AM   #745
Nurru
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Nurru
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Hatefury Mantle's bonus isn't worth using an orange and purple gem combo. Use two spinels if possible.
24 damage vs 12 dmg, 3 crit, 5 haste is a given.

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Old 04/18/08, 11:50 AM   #746
Goggles
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Zooch: I'm not sure what the point of your post is as you don't ask any questions. Anyway I disagree with your gem choice for Hatefury Mantle. The socket bonus is awful so you might as well stick 2 +12 damage Crimson Spinels in.

Not actually a member of Refusion on Burning Blade.

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Old 04/18/08, 11:53 AM   #747
Zooch
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Mug'thol
Yes sorry I wasn't finished with my post and instead of hitting preview I hit submit. It's been edited to reflect my question.

Also, I'm going to edit this again to change the gems to spinels (great idea).

My reason for the +stam gem in hatefury is due to the fact that I have crap for health and Hyjal/BT bosses give a lot of raid damage. However upon further review I see it's not worth it.

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Old 04/18/08, 11:59 AM   #748
Goggles
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Assuming you've got nothing to replace the Spellstrike with then I'd add [Slippers of the Seacaller] to the list

Not actually a member of Refusion on Burning Blade.

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Old 04/18/08, 12:07 PM   #749
Zooch
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by Goggles View Post
Assuming you've got nothing to replace the Spellstrike with then I'd add [Slippers of the Seacaller] to the list
Well I would really prefer to replace spellstrike if you have any suggestions. I dont see the slippers being a huge upgrade from my current boots - what am I missing there? I know I'd be exchanging crit for the hit I dont really need, but the spell dmg would be the same and Stam/Int/Spi would all suffer substantially. I'm at like 7700 health unbuffed too (it's about 10.2k raid buffed).

If this matters - 90% of the time I have a shadowpriest and shaman in my group, 50% of the time elements is up.

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Old 04/18/08, 12:12 PM   #750
Goggles
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Selggog
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Actually I misread which boots you had which didn't help (thought it was a pair from Kara). Spellstrike legs can be replaced with the badge ones ([Corrupted Soulcloth Pantaloons]) or [Leggings of Channeled Elements]. Not really any options for T6 level head until you've killed Archimonde and/or Illidan. T5/Cowl of the Grand Engineer are the alternatives.

I'd also definitely replace all gems with hit if you're struggling to stay under the cap. Pure +damage or +damage/haste would be better.

Not actually a member of Refusion on Burning Blade.

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