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Old 06/16/08, 5:35 PM   #101
Vontre
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I just added a ton of gems and greatly improved the gem selection interface. You should now be able to find everything you need.

Gems with mp5 aren't supported because I don't actually count mp5 because mp5 is terrible for mages. Fair warning.

www.magegraf.com

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Old 06/16/08, 5:57 PM   #102
manly
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But how will I import my MP5 gems ??? Think of the arcane mages using [Royal Shadowsong Amethyst] in their blue sockets !!!

(ps: why did you not roll a troll?)

---edit
Also, still missing the BOP [Runed Crimson Spinel]

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<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
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Old 06/16/08, 8:08 PM   #103
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Because I PvP and I'm not giving up WotF for a little extra raid damage.

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Old 06/16/08, 10:56 PM   #104
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I'm assuming when I click on 'Flask of Pure Death/Blinding Light' it automatically chooses the best one, but does it allow for Supreme Power to be chosen?

I know Supreme Power is the best choice if I don't have a shadowpriest in my group, and suspect it is still better than Blinding Light even with all the mana regen buffs I can get.

And if the answer is no, any chance it might be implemented?

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Old 06/17/08, 11:09 AM   #105
Saizul
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Originally Posted by Vontre View Post
Because I PvP and I'm not giving up WotF for a little extra raid damage.
In combat regen. Prepare to dominate.

Also, speaking of flasks, distilled wisdom would be a realistic option for arcane mages. I might just be dense but I don't think I see it up here.

Edit: Also I am noticing that my total DPS seems to increase when switching my race from troll to undead / human by about 10-20 points. (Arcane / Ice DPS) Despite the difference in base stats that is a little surprising, and looking through effect timing I see that berserking is never used. Obviously it is a little weird since the haste % can change, but it would crtainly be safe to treat it as a 10% haste effect for 10 seconds every 3 min, that can be matched with BL, IV, AP, and/or trinkets for a little extra boost.

A link if you'd like to take a look:
http://www.magegraf.com/index.php?ha...5493211dd9f747

Excellent tool, thank you Vontre!

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Old 06/17/08, 2:53 PM   #106
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My lazy solution is to just give 80 spell damage to all. I wouldn't worry about the 10 damage discrepancy if you're not using the good flasks.

Also I never modeled troll berserking.

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Old 06/17/08, 7:34 PM   #107
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I guess that's an easy solution to a potentially timeconsuming problem, thanks for the answer.

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Old 07/01/08, 5:43 PM   #108
Xanana
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Maybe I'm crazy, but every time I try to downloas the "latest" version of this awesome spreadsheet, the one that comes up is version 2/7/3/4 from February. THis version does not have any of the items that came into the game after February. I see lots of discussion of changes made and updates, but the link always takes me to this same version . . .

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Old 07/02/08, 4:59 PM   #109
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Originally Posted by Xanana View Post
Maybe I'm crazy, but every time I try to downloas the "latest" version of this awesome spreadsheet, the one that comes up is version 2/7/3/4 from February. THis version does not have any of the items that came into the game after February. I see lots of discussion of changes made and updates, but the link always takes me to this same version . . .
I shelved the updated spreadsheet in favor of magegraf. It still works though, if you use the manual stat mode.

www.magegraf.com

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Old 07/09/08, 6:07 PM   #110
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I recently found an issue that was causing some incredible slowdown for no apparent reason. I just uploaded a workaround, so the site should be usable once again. \o/

Edit: also in order to get this fix in immediately I kinda left the Shadow Priest option there, even though they aren't finished yet. Win.

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Old 07/09/08, 6:09 PM   #111
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But the slowdown gave a great illusion of complex mathematic computations behind the scenes !

Also, why did you not roll a troll?

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
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<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
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Old 07/09/08, 8:27 PM   #112
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Originally Posted by manly View Post
But the slowdown gave a great illusion of complex mathematic computations behind the scenes !

Also, why did you not roll a troll?
I told you PvP!!

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Old 07/09/08, 9:21 PM   #113
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What I don't get is... How come you didn't roll a Troll?

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Old 07/09/08, 9:35 PM   #114
manly
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God dmanit, I intended to write 'why did you not troll a roll?' but ended up failing.

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
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Old 07/09/08, 11:16 PM   #115
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Enquiring Minds want to know: when are you adding Elemental Shaman? :whistle:


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Old 07/10/08, 1:48 PM   #116
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Well that's a little trickier cuuuz I have to build a setup that drops down mail gear instead of cloth.

But I guess I could just skip that part and program in... lightning bolt? What else is there?

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Old 07/10/08, 4:46 PM   #117
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Currently, Chain Lightning on cooldown. Come WLK, Lava Burst will be important to model, along with Flameshock. I think the hardest part of the model will actually be stormstrike.


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Old 07/10/08, 11:05 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by Vontre View Post
Well that's a little trickier cuuuz I have to build a setup that drops down mail gear instead of cloth.

But I guess I could just skip that part and program in... lightning bolt? What else is there?
Lightning bolt & chain lightning, re-casting totems/watershield, stormstrike and elemental focus.


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Old 07/10/08, 11:27 PM   #119
Duravi
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Nice work Vontre, finding this tool more accurate than Rawr for my WWS comparisons and alot of fun especially for trying to guess at what will be the proper dmg stat weightings in WotLK.

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Old 07/11/08, 1:41 PM   #120
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I'm tempted to be a lazy jerk and just throw in Lightning Bolt with no talents or anything.

Nah I'm kidding.

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Old 07/13/08, 11:38 AM   #121
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Vontre, I've been using Magegraf lately to figure out what upgrades I should go for next. My guild is currently working on T5 with probably a little Hyjal.

Anyway, when play around with different gear, Magegraf seems to be telling me I need more crit instead of more haste. Is my crit just incredibly too low for the hit > haste > dmg > crit hierarchy of stats? Or is there something about the way that Magegraf calculates that it values crit more than haste? With fire, I'm about 1100 dmg, 63 haste, and 29% crit (with Molten Armor) before raid buffs.

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Old 07/13/08, 1:56 PM   #122
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what's your mana options? do you have a shadow priest? mana spring totem? did you set it to use mana gems and -pots?

I'm in a situation where Rawr puts haste items very low in terms of DPS upgrades for me because of my lack of raid support, I assume Magegraf is getting similar results for you because your mana restore settings are (accidentally?) low or your raid support equally lacking, possibly leading to a situation where you already run OOM well before the fight is over so that haste wouldn't really help much while crit would?

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Old 07/16/08, 3:01 PM   #123
Vannik
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I should be able to fix this, just a logic oversight in the simulation code. Thanks.
This was in reference to the fire/coldsnap build. For a 6 minute fight, coldsnap is still being used right away rather than in MF range. Also, it has been mentioned previously but not commented on, could you add an X and Y axis to your plots? The way the sim works is to scorch and use all cooldowns instantly, and it would be nice to see how much threat is generated, or alternately, to see how much TPS the tank would need to have to hold aggro at the start of an encounter if one does use all cooldowns. Or do the grids have a value attached to them? As in is the X axis 500, and each block up 500 more dps?

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Old 08/04/08, 2:14 PM   #124
Muneyus
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Vontre,

Is it possible to add in a dps variance that accounts for RNG on crit rating?

Some wws parses will show a player +/- 5% or so of their actual crit value, and your calculations are showing an average dps.

Any easy way to show that in the output?

Ex: 1200dps (1149 to 1316)

Or something like that? (No real need other than a geeky desire for more numbers.)


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Old 08/06/08, 7:21 PM   #125
Stein
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Looking at my spells and mana (arc/frost), it looks like my evocate only took one second:

29.48: 667.85175178216
30.48: 153.68843875699
30.48: MANA-Evocation
31.48: 8179.2707507318

Am I reading that right?

Two other questions:

1) My mana looked to dip down to -600ish on two occasions. Is that correct?
2) Seemed to slip into frostbolt spam from time to time instead of AB FBx3. Is that intended?

Thanks for the cool tool.

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