Honestly at this point the whole hierarchy between ISB > scorch > winters chill regardless of stacks makes scorch almost pointless to use unless there are no other locks (or frost mages) in the raid.

As long as theyre cloning the caster classes they might as well just go the whole nine yards and make improved scorch into something that adds the debuff after fire spell (and FFB) hits in the same way the lock talent works with shadowbolt and just remove any dependence on the actual scorch spell.

The also need to make it so that all three debuffs can exist on the boss at the same time but only the highest is applied ... or if thats antithetical to the way theyve coded debuffs then they need to forgo immersiveness and just make them apply the same debuff and stack with each other ... call it Elemental Vulnerability or something else vague and all-encompassing.

Once again... I'm the author of Scorchio! 2. A couple of points:

Scorchio! 2 was erroneously counting Shadow Mastery as stacking the day of the release of 3.1, but that was fixed the next day.
The addon accurately reflects what happens in terms of Shadow Mastery, Imp Scorch and Winter's Chill overwriting. The fact that the, by the way it works, Scorchio! 2 actually noticed this before most players means people thought the addon was broken. It wasn't, and it isn't.

If you're unhappy with the way the addon works, feel free to PM me here, or at Curse and I'll look into issues. But please tell me which version you're using (there have been four beta releases and a major (the first major) version release since the patch...

[Sundial of the Exiled] can proc from every tick of blizzard after patch, great for aoe.

I love the scorchio mod (and a long time user), but theres one thing I hate about it with a passion. By default it has warning sounds turned on? Reminds me of the SCT defaults with 'low mana/health' warnings.

I realise everyone is different and some might disagree, but I find it unusually frustrating when mods seek to have audible alerts turned on by default. It might seem innocent enough when reviewing one mod alone, but when you raid with alot of mods - if just a small fraction of them all played warning sounds by default, it's a whole new story. And frustrating to have to sift through various mods to fix (especially when reinstalling mods, game crashes and lose WTF settings, going to netcafe and installing mods etc).

I love the sounds in scorchio tbh. They are easy to configure and now I don't even have to look at my timers or filter my msg spam to check if hot streak has procced, living bomb expired or scorch is about the expire.

If you want to maximize your DPS you should track your LB bar =) !

I wonder if it works with vigilance. I mean they could have hotfixed FM specifically or made a more generic check that applies to all buffs.

EDIT - Bornak had posted on April 21 that Focus Magic would fall off if the mage switched specs now. However, it sounds like it was working for you beyond the 21st. Perhaps they've finally fixed it as they'd stated the intention to do so about a week ago.

No, they fixed it awhile ago in a hotfix. It won't go away when you switch specs but it will go away once the person you put it on crits because it checks to see if you still have the focus magic talent and if you don't it just goes away.

How does Storm Power work? The tooltip implies it multiples at end like Ignite, however the spell info on WoWHead says that for melee at least it multiples their crit strike bonus. Looking at our Arcane Mage on Hodir last night, the best data point from Arcane Missiles I can find with Storm Power is a 17616 crit with a 3071 hit. This gives a 5.74 final crit multiplier. Looking at the formula, if Storm Power acted like Spell Power, it should only result in a 2.72 multiplier. If it multiplied at the end like ignite, it would only be 4.66. Anyone have any other ideas on where to fit the extra 135% into the formula that might match up with the observed value of 5.74?

WWS for data is here and Fantazamor is the arcane mage if anyone wants to look in more detail. The 17616/3071 come from Hodir try 3 at around 2.5 minutes in (the 3071 was a partial resist that I converted back into the full value).

3071 base arcane missile damage * 1.84475(arcane crit w/4pt7 CSD)*1.25(glyph of arcane missiles)*2.35(Storm power) = 16641 dmg. 541% multiplier.

Sounds about right to me. Crit bonus multipliers scale geometrically.

Seems pretty consistent with what I am seeing in my parses

I have a 10121 fireball hit and a little later a 61078 crit.

10121 base fireball dmg * 2.5445(fire crit w/ CSD)*2.35(Storm Power) = 60519 dmg. 597% multiplier.

Working as intended. On a slightly related note, frostfire specced mages should have hilariously obscene dps on this fight if they follow the storm powers. Might even be worth brushing the dust off 4pt7:

Base * 3.34565 (frostfire crit w/4pt7 CSD)*2.35(Storm Power)= 786% crit dmg multiplier.

Clearly, you guys forgot to take into account the singed debuff.

How would that change crit multipliers since it multiplies crits and non crits by the same amount?

3071 base arcane missile damage * 1.84475(arcane crit w/4pt7 CSD)*1.25(glyph of arcane missiles)*2.35(Storm power) = 16641 dmg.
is incomplete and doesnt take into account singed.

Not that that equation doesn't have other problems, but the 3071 hit I'm using as comparison was right after the crit I'm comparing to, so Hodir had singed for both of them.

Ah nevermind I thought the AM base damage was TC-generated rather than taken from an actual hit.

Compare "Lapsed" (Frostfire) in that parse to me, "SaladFork" (Deep Fire). He had a 40% Storm Power uptime, while mine was 39%, almost identical. Throughout the entire fight I followed a marked Lapsed around the room (it was a different strat to help some players who were unfamiliar with the fight). I outgear Lapsed slightly, and have a spec that should perform better, but it's clear as day that he blew me (and the rest of the DPS) out of the water. I believe he hit 1 million damage done within 10 seconds of the fire being up, and he almost carried the entire group through Hodir hard mode.

With the crit buff from Storm Power, Frostfire is almost without a doubt the superior spec for this fight.

I think it may be a little too early to call this fight totally in favor of frostfire. Xeth (our token arcanist) can push out numbers equal to if not superior to what FFB and FB/ToTW mages are putting out on Hodir. As seen here.

Not to discount that feat but for Hodir I imagine people are far more interested in fights shorter than three minutes for the 'hard' mode. With the buffs available I simply cannot imagine a non-FFB build producing the dps that is available given the rather arbitrary nature of the fight and assuming people are playing to a level where the buffs are fully leveraged. Knocking on ten K is nice and all but really, it is nothing impressive considering what the dps budget is or the tools available.

One anecdotal parse with less than impressive numbers doesn't really prove anything. Here's another parse where a fire mage does 50% more dps than your friend WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish, but it doesn't prove anything either. The point is that if you can get all 3 buffs, move very little and have other players assigned to freeing the freezes, then you can do silly amounts of damage as a mage. We can't tell empirically which spec does more in that fight because much of it is reliant on how much uptime those buffs have. So we have to look at what is the theoretical maximum, and this is what the discussion should be about.

Which class benefit the most from focus magic in 3.1?

I remember that the one is like ffb>fb>sp>arc>others. How about destro lock?

To be honest, I was more interested in comparing our mage's parse with that which was presented by Nathanbp a few posts up. Both the fights are approximately 6 min long. That being said, I believe it is conventional wisdom that the Arcane specs performance is inversely proportional to the length of the fight? (due to higher % uptime of 'big' cooldowns such as AP)? If this is indeed the case, then wouldn't an Arcanist who is pushing close to 10k DPS on a 6 min fight be pushing much higher on a 3 mins fight?
On a side note, if I remember our Hodir raids correctly, Xeth peaks at around 14-15k and can hold it for a decent amount of time on our 25 mans.

I think you have mistaken what I was doing with that post. It most certainly wasn't a "Hey guys look at my guild's collective epeen" post.
The mage from your parse severely outgears pretty much every single mage in the past 3-4 parses. One of the primary reasons I even bothered to link a parse showing Xeth's DPS is because he is somewhat in the same gear range as the rest of the folks in this thread whose WWS parses are being linked. I was lucky to have found one where the % uptime of his "Storm Power" buff was almost the same as the others that were being compared in this thread. So in actual fact, it isn't just a random 'anecdotal' parse.

Quick edit: Going over the parse you presented. Not only does your mage outgear Xeth, but his Storm power debuff is at a much much higher uptime, almost by 10%, then the uptime of any of the other mage's in this thread. My point being that WWS parses are not totally useless. Since we actually can get information such as gear levels as well as % uptime for buffs, we can still do cursory comparisons between specs. Please note, I never implied or suggested that Arcane is the be all end all of Hodir fights. My exact words point was that perhaps it is too early to call who wins on Hodir.

As far as your other point is concerned. A few posts up a mage linked a parse comparing his (FB/ToTW) DPS to that of his FFB buddy. At which point he concluded that FFB is superior on Hodir to FB due to the other mage doing more DPS than him. That was the post I was responding to, one that was, in fact, using WWS parses to prove a point. I have not seen any mathematical proof of the statement "FFB is the superior spec on Hodir", and I do not have a mathematical counter proof, hence, I used the same argument that the poster I quoted to say that maybe it is too early to call which spec is superior for Hodir.