So just go 51/20/0

Thanks. However upon checking simcraft I noticed a few things:

It seems simcratf is using the glyph without it stacking which means that the arcane numbers are possibly higher than it is currently showing.

I also thought this patch was making 18/53/0 (FB Spec) as viable as 0/53/18 (FFB Spec) yet SimCraft is accounting only 20/51/0. Is there a reason for the 2 points in arcane instead of fire?

In regards to your second point/question, where would your 2 points go into 18/53/0 over 20/51/0? I could see a case for flame throwing but in reality the 2 points are much better spent on Totw/Regen.

Assuming Incineration is not included in the spec, Flame throwing is an argument (I personally like having extra range on my spells) but couldn't incineration also be one? I mean it is extra crit on scorch and since you'll be using it anyway might as well try and get more crits for more HS procs.

Maybe I am thinking all wrong here.

FYi I tried Arc/fire. I went oom in about half the time i would have with FFB and my dps was about 500dps lower. This is with a shaman keeping an earthbind totem near the dummies so they were constantly snared. I didn't have focus magic procs but I did glyph fireball and FB dps was still about 300-500 lower than FFB. I just got my 4pT7 bonus today and with the crit modifier of FFB I think the difference would be even greater.

Also, I don't think people give incineration/imp fireblast enough credit. They're awesome for mobility fights to keep your hot streaks rolling and maintain your dps even while moving (ie heigan)

Actually burning soul is already included on the spec but you are right that it is a choice of putting 2 points on incineration or world in flames, the latter being the wiser choice in my opinion or putting 2 points in mana regen.

I'd only ever put those 2 points in mana regen ever if I really needed them which is what prompted my question. I haven't played Fire ever since the expansion came out (Been frostfire ever since lvl 75) but it did fine in TBC so I just assumed that the addition of burnout wasn't too much more of a problem now. Ofc I forgot that we have to keep up LB which is a mana hog and we have pyroblast added to our rotation.

Will be interesting to see.

How many times do we have to go over this, bosses aren't affected by movement slows, only casting and attack speed slows, the heroic dummy is considered a boss so earthbind has no effect. You need a warrior thunderclapping or a deathknight keeping up frostfever, or any of the other attack speed/cast speed slows each tank can provide.

Unclear right now, arcane is doing good damage but fire is the more proven spec. I'd like to see a few WWS reports to get a better idea how arcane does in real raid situations. I personally am leaning towards 20/51 for times when I'm the only mage and we need scorch up, though for that something like 51/20/0 is also an option. There's no hurry right now so wait and see is usually the best policy, and I have a feeling both specs will be tweaked before or concurrent with Ulduar anyways, when DPS will actually matter.

I tested it on the nonheroic dummy. I know it's not an accurate dps comparison, but it's telling that my dps was significantly higher on the Heroic dummy WITH FFB spec than with a fire spec on a nonheroic. Combined with the increase in mana efficiency of frostfire as well as the "on demand" damage of combustion+IV, frostfire looks more appealing than ever.

Just a few informations, still from the ptr:

- Rotation is ABx3/AM/ABarr

- You have to skill MB 5/5. it doesent(!) require to change the rotation! Its a 12 Sec. buff, so there is enough time to reach AM with the normal rotation without loosing MB buff.

Here you can find my talent calculation with max dps and max manareg talents http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage...=031900000000#

Arkan is easy to play. You only have to spam the Rotation. You dont have to look on proccs like Hot Streak.

But if you look on the other side of the coin, an thats the bad one , i get into serious mana problems (I used Molten Armor cause the target is maximum DPS).

With the Talents posted above and Mage Armor i reached 60% manareg infight. Remember there is a glyph for Mage Armor (wich i dont use) with additional 20% manareg! 80% sounds a lot . After that, and if you are an alchemist, you can wear the alchemist stone + the mana gem glyph.

As you can see there are a lot of mana options.

BUT: My, our, target is max dps, you dont want to use all these mana features, cause you will loss a lot of DPS.

Today i'm going Naxx and i will try max dps. Will see what happen to my mana with Manareg Totem, blessing of wisdom and Pala/SP manareg.

(again please ignore my english. I'm not a native speaker )

thx you are right. Ive edited my posting