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Old 09/05/08, 10:40 PM   #1126
Erdluf
Great Tiger
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Echo Isles
To Kadgar's list of questions, please add
  • Can they fool /targetenemyplayer ?

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Old 09/05/08, 10:41 PM   #1127
Masaru
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Mannoroth
Oh lord I almost don't care about the raid dps possibilities, that looks pretty fun.

Question: I kept seeing Failed notices on your casting. Were you being interrupted by the "switching places" that you mentioned and that I could see in the video? If so.... that's pretty ill-conceived.

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Old 09/05/08, 10:45 PM   #1128
Wueste
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Mage
 
Zirkel des Cenarius (EU)
Originally Posted by Xentropy View Post
Very odd. I noticed since your images were using frostbolts even though you're fire, plus since you're the only one of the four to actually be procing anything, it's pretty obvious which is the "real" Thrudnir. Unfortunate issue PvP-wise. The damage increase seems quite significant, though. Do your images get the same health as you or significantly less?
I couldn't test more than 1 minute, stucked in the login screen since then. But I will try to test a lot more if we are able to login. I couldn't even check if they have health.

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Old 09/05/08, 10:47 PM   #1129
Xentropy
Don Flamenco
 
Human Mage
 
Whisperwind
Someone posting on the official forums had time to do a scaling test, and said their images were hitting for the same amounts naked as fully geared. This could have serious scaling implications. (Overpowered upon reaching 80, followed by falling way behind as gear improves?)

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Old 09/05/08, 10:51 PM   #1130
Jonny_Monroe
Don Flamenco
 
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Draenei Priest
 
Auchindoun (EU)
From what I can see on that video the 'switching' may be interfering with the players spell casting. Its hard to tell. It doesn't seem to mess with the images casting though, since their spells stay synchronized throughout (except when one of them decides not to fireblast?).

Lets wait until someone on the beta can give some solid answers.
OMNOMNOM.

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Old 09/05/08, 10:57 PM   #1131
Masaru
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Mannoroth
They also noted that the HP seems to be about 1/3 of your HP. I wonder if the dmg is meant to be equal to your naked dmg but divided between the 3 copies...

I can only imagine that this is going to be revised numerous times before live, especially the weirdness of switching around, interrupting casting, etc. A beta mage should also really recommend that each copy casts a different spell (1 from each tree seems appropriate).

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Old 09/05/08, 10:58 PM   #1132
Lurker
Von Kaiser
 
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Blood Elf Mage
 
Moon Guard
This could have serious scaling implications. (Overpowered upon reaching 80, followed by falling way behind as gear improves?)
Like what? Do you think that our damage is going to scale so much that this ability won't be worth the GCD in a raid for damage? (ignoring some perks for having additional false targets around)

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Old 09/05/08, 11:37 PM   #1133
Searix
Piston Honda
 
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Human Mage
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
Like what? Do you think that our damage is going to scale so much that this ability won't be worth the GCD in a raid for damage? (ignoring some perks for having additional false targets around)
No, but blizzard balances our damage against them now, say they're 20% of our dps now, (and blizzard nerfs us to 80%), then they fall behind to 10% of our dps as gear progresses.

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Old 09/05/08, 11:38 PM   #1134
Lhivera
Bald Bull
 
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Human Mage
 
Aggramar
Improved Water Elemental's been given a range (100 yard radius), rather than getting replaced, so I assume they like it as-is.

I'm getting close to the point where I will actually pay people to raise a stink about Frozen Core on the beta forums.
At Veridian Dynamics, we can even make radishes so spicy, people can't eat them. But we're not, because people can't eat them.

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Old 09/06/08, 12:02 AM   #1135
manly
Soda Popinski
 
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Troll Mage
 
Mal'Ganis
I did try hard to test mirror image, but the server is literally crashing every minute. I had the misfortune to hop on a flight path.
<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff

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Old 09/06/08, 12:32 AM   #1136
Lhivera
Bald Bull
 
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Human Mage
 
Aggramar
Based on Nimh's posts here:

WoW Forums -> So... Mirror Image.

...it sounds as if your threat may be split up between the three images (leaving yours wiped completely). Apparently he put some threat onto an elite, summoned his elemental and cast mirror image, and the elite proceeded to wipe out all three images and the water elemental before aggro returned to him.
At Veridian Dynamics, we can even make radishes so spicy, people can't eat them. But we're not, because people can't eat them.

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Old 09/06/08, 12:34 AM   #1137
manly
Soda Popinski
 
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Troll Mage
 
Mal'Ganis
Alright so I got around to test a bit.

1- Gear/no gear does not changes the numbers at all. They do the same damage.
2- As mirror image is going on, it keeps randomly switching you across the images. Yes, this will interrupt your current cast and it will not complete. So far it seems on average I get 2-3 swaps per activation.
3- The mirror images cast and hit as people have said, fireblasts that hurt and shitty frostbolts. Spec makes no difference to their damage or what they cast.
4- The frostbolts from mirror images do snare.
5- The fireblast does not ignite.
6- for some reason, sometimes their fireblast crit for 4.8-4.9k damage. I simply don't get it.


(more to come, testing in between every server crash)

9/5 23:42:43.684 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF1300079F0008106,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,58838,"Inherit Master's Threat List",0x1
9/5 23:42:43.684 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF1300079F0008107,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,58838,"Inherit Master's Threat List",0x1
9/5 23:42:43.684 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF1300079F0008108,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,58838,"Inherit Master's Threat List",0x1


Full duration spell end effect on lvl 83 mob
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9/5 23:50:13.059  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,742,741,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
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9/5 23:50:15.994  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:15.994  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
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9/5 23:50:23.094  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
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9/5 23:50:25.599  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,13339,"Fire Blast",0x4
9/5 23:50:25.599  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,13339,"Fire Blast",0x4,4651,4650,4,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:25.815  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:25.815  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:25.815  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,846,845,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:25.915  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:25.915  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:25.915  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,920,919,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:25.996  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:25.996  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:26.216  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:26.216  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:26.317  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,890,889,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:28.838  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,13339,"Fire Blast",0x4
9/5 23:50:28.838  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,13339,"Fire Blast",0x4,2089,2088,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:29.121  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:29.121  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:29.122  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,920,919,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:29.218  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:29.218  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:29.218  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:29.439  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,905,904,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:29.522  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:29.522  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:29.522  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,756,755,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:29.522  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:29.522  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:32.428  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:32.429  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:32.429  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,13339,"Fire Blast",0x4
9/5 23:50:32.429  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,13339,"Fire Blast",0x4,1861,1860,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:32.644  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:32.644  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:32.728  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,772,771,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:32.728  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,816,815,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:32.728  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:32.728  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:32.728  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:32.728  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:32.728  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,831,830,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:32.829  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:35.633  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:35.633  SPELL_CAST_START,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10
9/5 23:50:35.917  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:35.917  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:35.917  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,756,755,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:35.917  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:35.917  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
9/5 23:50:35.917  SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0xF1300079A8001566,"Tattered Training Dummy",0x10a28,9672,"Frostbolt",0x10,801,800,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/5 23:50:36.010  UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0xF7300079F00000FD,"Mirror Image",0x2111
9/5 23:50:36.010  UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0xF7300079F00000FC,"Mirror Image",0x2111
9/5 23:50:36.010  UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0xF7300079F00000FB,"Mirror Image",0x2111
Edit: *** detailed breakdown
2121, C, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:05.914  
1892, D, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:09.172
1958, B, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:09.172
890,  C,            9/5 23:50:09.352
860,  D,            9/5 23:50:09.352
1424, B,            9/5 23:50:09.452
876,  C,            9/5 23:50:12.574
1135, D,            9/5 23:50:13.059
742,  B,            9/5 23:50:13.059
5262, C, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:15.630
712,  C,            9/5 23:50:15.813
846,  D,            9/5 23:50:16.281
1091, B,            9/5 23:50:16.281
1843, D, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:19.219
890,  C,            9/5 23:50:19.503
786,  D,            9/5 23:50:19.503
742,  B,            9/5 23:50:19.503
860,  C,            9/5 23:50:22.638
830,  B,            9/5 23:50:22.709
801,  D,            9/5 23:50:23.094
4651, B, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:25.599
846,  C,            9/5 23:50:25.815
920,  B,            9/5 23:50:25.915
890,  D,            9/5 23:50:26.317
2089, C, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:28.838
920,  C,            9/5 23:50:29.122
905,  D,            9/5 23:50:29.439
756,  B,            9/5 23:50:29.522
1861, B, fireblast, 9/5 23:50:32.429
772,  C,            9/5 23:50:32.728
816,  D,            9/5 23:50:32.728
831,  B,            9/5 23:50:32.728
756,  C,            9/5 23:50:35.917
801,  D,            9/5 23:50:35.917
44375 total

-- edit: roughly 2k avg fireblast hit, 5k crits... 250% crit multiplier ?
average 800 frostbolt hit, crit data unknown (not enough data)
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Last edited by manly : 09/06/08 at 4:57 AM.
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Old 09/06/08, 1:33 AM   #1138
Qbert
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Moonrunner
Originally Posted by Lgs View Post
Threat. A front-loaded crit will cause threat to ramp up much faster. In a raid, it's better to have the ignite, even if buggy. (And who cares about trash, we're all about bosses). The vast majority of your damage will not be bugged out.
I never understood why Ignite hasn't yet been changed to deal 40% damage in one tick, 2 seconds after the crit. It salvages the anti-threat mechanism, it solves any timing related ignite bug issues... and it simultaneously boosts the fire tree's PvP viability by making Fire crits less of a punishing back-loaded PvP damage talent.

Revert all mechanics back to pre-TBC days and stack all ignites into one debuff.... there is simply no potential for rolling ignites with a single ignite tick and there is no shenanigans with latency bugs.

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Old 09/06/08, 1:37 AM   #1139
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If I'm interpreting that right, then the mirror images have 200% innate crit damage?

Edit: Missed your edit. 250% seems a bit excessive; I wouldn't guess that without a bigger sample. It could just be a wife damage range and the crits falling in the upper end.

edit #2:

Request: could an arcane mage try putting focus magic on the images and seeing if they benefit from it? Since they arn't 'controllable' pets, can you even buff them with it?
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Old 09/06/08, 2:08 AM   #1140
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Saurfang
Originally Posted by manly View Post
Alright so I got around to test a bit.
2- As mirror image is going on, it keeps randomly switching you across the images. Yes, this will interrupt your current cast and it will not complete. So far it seems on average I get 2-3 swaps per activation.
The switching of targets I would presume to be intentional.

The interrupting of your current cast I would assume (and hope) to be unintentional. The nature of the spell seems to indicate to me that as you don't 'voluntarily' move or perform any action that cancels a spell under live circumstances, the swapping of targets with mirror images is not meant to interrupt casting. At least this is how I interpret it.

A lot of polish awaits this spell, but it is far more exciting than Shatter Shield.

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Old 09/06/08, 2:11 AM   #1141
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Something to try to test on Mirror Image is what does it look like from another player's point of view? (Especially from an enemy player's point of view?) If all 4 models look like they are doing the same thing to enemies (or even if they all have the same nameplate), it will still be good for confusion in PvP.

Edit: Also something to try would be to determine exactly how the threat reduction works (If you're in a group and don't have aggro does it drop you at all? How much does it drop you?)

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Old 09/06/08, 2:13 AM   #1142
Jonny_Monroe
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http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...nax10_mage.jpg

Spirit only on 2 pieces there, but 120 between those 2. it would appear they want it to be available but optional? you could get a 4-piece bonus with only 60spirit from your set, so it looks like there's some flexibility between set and off-piece for different specs who do/don't like spi. Need to see more none-set items.

edit:
oh, and no blue sockets :P
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Old 09/06/08, 2:20 AM   #1143
Empyrea
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Originally Posted by Nastre View Post
The switching of targets I would presume to be intentional.

The interrupting of your current cast I would assume (and hope) to be unintentional. The nature of the spell seems to indicate to me that as you don't 'voluntarily' move or perform any action that cancels a spell under live circumstances, the swapping of targets with mirror images is not meant to interrupt casting. At least this is how I interpret it.
You can click off the Mirror Image buff and stop yourself from swapping between your images while they (and you) continue to nuke uninterrupted.
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Old 09/06/08, 2:25 AM   #1144
Xentropy
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Well the 10-man Naxx mage set is out.
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...nax10_mage.jpg

I'm a little concerned about having a very hard time getting hit capped at the moment. Those are 5 of the highest-statted slots and across the whole set, plus set bonus and full hit rating gems in every yellow socket, you get 1/4 to 1/3 of the hit you'll need to cap. And still far more crit than hit on the pieces. Feels like a waste of itemization budget given how expensive crit is. The way these are statted reminds me of Tier 5, which I specifically pretty much passed right over due to lack of hit and overabundance of crit, using mostly non-set pieces after T4.

I am pleasantly surprised to see spirit on only two of the five pieces, though. I was afraid it'd be forced down our throats despite being basically useless to frost mages and nearly so for fire mages (unless mage armor turns out to be necessary, which has yet to be seen definitively either way).

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Old 09/06/08, 2:27 AM   #1145
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Originally Posted by Jonny_Monroe View Post
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...nax10_mage.jpg

Spirit only on 2 pieces there, but 120 between those 2. it would appear they want it to be available but optional? you could get a 4-piece bonus with only 60spirit from your set, so it looks like there's some flexibility between set and off-piece for different specs who do/don't like spi. Need to see more none-set items.

edit:
oh, and no blue sockets :P
For comparison, the Warlock set also has 2 pieces with spirit, although less overall (64 and 46). Shadow priests have 3 pieces with spirit. Healing Priests and Moonkin and Tree Druids have spirit on all 5 pieces.

Seems like the designers aren't sure what the real value of spirit is going to end up being for dps casters. I'm glad to finally have some pieces of mage tier gear without spirit on them though.

Also of note is that these all have 5 stats on them, fitting in with what seems to be Blizzard's new rule (Greens get 3 stats, Blues 4, Purples 5 (and presumably more than that later)). Comparatively, T6 had 6 or 7 different stats on each piece of gear.

Edit: Also, yay Consolidated food & water means that I can save 1 space on my bar. (See Conjure Refreshment). What the heck is a Mana Pie though?
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Old 09/06/08, 2:30 AM   #1146
LiquidHAL
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Hyjal
Will it be considered T7 and the 25-man version T8? or not even part of a tier and will maybe be called T6.9? or are both 10 and 25-man versions considered T7 with the 25-man having better stats?

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Old 09/06/08, 3:39 AM   #1147
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Hyjal
On the warlock set, I noticed a pattern that all sets had 2 out of the four: spirit, hit, crit, haste. Yours follow the exact same pattern. Spirit is basically be itemized as an optional DPS stat, similar to any rating. It's treated as a bonus stat, rather than a mandatory one like int/stam/spellpower.

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Old 09/06/08, 4:48 AM   #1148
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Originally Posted by Qbert View Post
I never understood why Ignite hasn't yet been changed to deal 40% damage in one tick, 2 seconds after the crit. It salvages the anti-threat mechanism, it solves any timing related ignite bug issues... and it simultaneously boosts the fire tree's PvP viability by making Fire crits less of a punishing back-loaded PvP damage talent.

Revert all mechanics back to pre-TBC days and stack all ignites into one debuff.... there is simply no potential for rolling ignites with a single ignite tick and there is no shenanigans with latency bugs.
Having a 1 tick ignite would not fix either outstanding ignite issues we have currently. Fireball/fireblast would still have ignites eat up each other, and casting a fireball as ignite is up would still give free ignite ticks.

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/cast Mirror Image
/cancelaura Mirror Image
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this indeed works for keeping your mirror images yet not constantly swap positions.

Living bomb got fixed and now behaves as expected.

Also, mirror images are kind of dumb and will melee their target if theyre too close.
Last edited by manly : 09/06/08 at 5:48 AM.
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Old 09/06/08, 5:24 AM   #1149
Wueste
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I just did Loatheb. Could be a lot of fun with nearly every 3rd/4th cast beeing an instant pyro, if there wouldn't be the ignite bug ...

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Old 09/06/08, 6:57 AM   #1150
Samuel
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The swapping between images probably offers some opportunities in PvP as it lets you do things the images wouldn't and then get swapped around so your opponents don't know where you are anymore. It would be interesting to know if the timing is precise (in which case we could get timers to predict when it will happen) and if it swaps you out of things like stuns. For PvE I would assume you just cancel the buff and then it isn't an issue at all.

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