Klatzy

A spell procing FoF means the next 2 spells will have the FoF effect. The spell procing FoF doesn't consume a charge. The reason that procing on spell cast is better is because it shortens the time to notify you of the proc.

Before the change, a proc on impact meant you could have consumed the first charge already and perhaps casting another FB, which would consume the 2nd charge. In Lhivera's words.

Basically, procing on cast means you don't have to wait for the impact to know if FoF proc'd and lose 1 charge already. This give you time to cast DF for the 2nd charge without having to cancel a FB.

 

TigaFin

Crit chance is determined when the cast ends, so the FoF buff is also consumed when the cast ends and not when the spell lands.

 

Alezio

I’ve been interested to work out whether the mage T10*2 set bonus would alter the spell rotation we would use. So I worked out (I think) the averaged out haste gain of ABspam234MB, ABspam24MB, ABspam34MB and ABspam4MB from T10*2. I assumed a raid buffed cast of 1.75 seconds, which was chosen as without lag and interruptions it allows for the next three casts to be cast under the hasted proc effect (1.75+1.5625+1.5625=4.875secs, allowing 0.125 secs to cast the final spell under effect).

ABspam234MB= 8.09% haste
ABspam24MB= 7.39% haste
ABspam34MB= 6.27% haste
ABspam4MB= 5.42% haste

I’m a bit of a maths amateur so I used excel to work this out and don’t know how to put it into equation form, if somebody wants to question my results please PM me and I’ll try to explain what I did so that it can be easily corrected. The reason for a notable jump in haste when using a rotation that uses MBAM at two AB stacks is that the effect can be chained.

My maths isn’t good enough to calculate whether the additional average haste gain from using a lower ‘DPS’ rotation would actually be a DPS increase, I’d be grateful if somebody could help out with that please.

edit: As an afterthought at certain haste levels would it ever be a DPS gain to clip MBAM to allow for an additional AB under the haste proc effect?
Edit2: realised i made a basic error with calculations trying to make things complex will update soon.
Edit again: it appears that 2*t10 is either modeled in RAWR or about to be so I'll leave the maths to the experts

 

Cabrian

I´m attempting to do some napkin maths on pet scaling and would appreciate anyone on the 3.3 PTR to confirm that the Water Elemental´s waterbolt remains at these base stats:

Cast Speed: 2.5 seconds
Mana Cost: 1% of base mana
Base Damage: 486-588 dmg (537 avg)
Damage Coefficient: 0.25
Crit Rate: 0.05
Crit Damage Multiplier: 0.5

And that the water elemental continues to receive 33.3% of its master´s spellpower and 100% spell hit, but does not inherit either haste or spell crit.

As an aside, if Blizz were to implement stat inheritance for haste and spell crit, can we speculate that these would be at 100% based on other classes and their pets? (Sorry, have little knowledge of other class mechanics).