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Old 11/25/08, 12:27 PM   #151
Ohi
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Ok I'm really confused. I'm using Rawr, as I've done in the past to map out what routes to take gear wise. Whether I should regem some pieces or just seek an upgrade.

It's telling me for maximum dps output to re-gem with Spell Damage and Int. It's also telling me the best dps pieces are the ones with 20mp5. I don't know if I screwed it up, or that it's correct, which I severely doubt since since when do mages want mp5.

So did I miss the memo, is Rawr just being temperamental or am I screwing something up?

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Old 11/25/08, 12:28 PM   #152
cbags
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Then that explains quite clearly why no FFB is getting cast. Didn't this same sort of thing pop up with Hex/Skull combo a while back? Just put them on seperate macros, or just activate it manually.

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Old 11/25/08, 12:29 PM   #153
Inoko
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It sounds like you are running out of mana, and Rawr is trying to avoid that by A) increasing your mana poool (int), B) decreasing your burnout rate (no crit) and C) increasing your Mp5 (Via, you guessed it, Mp5).

Of course, without more information such as what the boss settings in rawr are on, and what your gear level, talent spec, etc. are, these are all sort of guesses.

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Old 11/25/08, 12:38 PM   #154
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MI does not consumes a GCD to cast, however, it does lockout your normally-non-gcd stuff for 1.5s (not affected by haste). In other words, if you do a macro to pop timers, make sure mirror image is always last. (much like it used to be with skull of guldan/hex) You can, however, do 'combustion, MI, FFB' in a macro, and all will cast, since FFB normally consumes a GCD.

To avoid general confusion, MI does not consumes a GCD. If it did, then you would be unable to put MI then follow it up by any spell.

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff

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Old 11/25/08, 1:00 PM   #155
Ohi
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Inoko, sorry, I should have provided that information in my initial post.

I'm currently FFB spec, 0-52-19.

I had full sunwell gear, replaced some pieces with new epics from heroics. I wish I could provide my stats, but my armory is down and I can't remember off of the top of my head.

Fight duration is set to 300s.

Edit: Armory came back up

Unbuffed stats:
hp: 13.2k
mp: 14.3k
sd: 1421
Hit: 246
Crit: 24.45
Haste: 251
Mana Regen: 267 not casting/0 while

Last edited by Ohi : 11/25/08 at 1:15 PM.

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Old 11/25/08, 1:21 PM   #156
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Originally Posted by Ohi View Post
Rawr mana issues
Make sure in the buffs page that your mana regen buffs are checked off. I had the same problem before I checked all the ones I would have.

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Old 11/25/08, 1:29 PM   #157
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Originally Posted by elfhelm View Post
Make sure in the buffs page that your mana regen buffs are checked off. I had the same problem before I checked all the ones I would have.
D'oh... I can't believe I missed that! It seems better now. Thanks much.

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Old 11/25/08, 1:32 PM   #158
Papajan
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Anyone know if the MI -threat goes away when the last of your images die or after 30s (when they would die naturally)?

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Old 11/25/08, 1:42 PM   #159
manly
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30s. Its unrelated with the images.

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff

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Old 11/25/08, 1:49 PM   #160
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From reading the other posts in this thread and on this board I have noticed that several people have been having manas conservation issues. In order to remedy this problem, I have been near removing living bomb from my spell rotation. I found when I used it constantly that I went OOM much, much faster than when not using it. I know this has to be considerably cutting into my DPS, but I wondered by how much? Is it worth eliminating living bomb until my gear takes a step up or should I always include it in my rotation and make as much mana available for it as possible?

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Old 11/25/08, 1:51 PM   #161
Papajan
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Excellent! My reckless aoe when we pull 20 mobs is safe from aoe that kills the images.

Last edited by Papajan : 11/25/08 at 1:51 PM. Reason: clarity

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Old 11/25/08, 2:36 PM   #162
Ivorthemage
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From reading the other posts in this thread and on this board I have noticed that several people have been having manas conservation issues. In order to remedy this problem, I have been near removing living bomb from my spell rotation. I found when I used it constantly that I went OOM much, much faster than when not using it. I know this has to be considerably cutting into my DPS, but I wondered by how much? Is it worth eliminating living bomb until my gear takes a step up or should I always include it in my rotation and make as much mana available for it as possible?
When you run into mana problems you have three choices:

1) Figure out a way to increase your mana pools and regen without comrpromising dps. guardian elixirs, food, party comp, scrolls (I have a stack of spirit scrolls for when I am in a group with no disc priest or demo lock), etc. You should be fully exploiting these as your first priority.

2) Make gem/pot/spec/glyph/gear/armor compromises to dps for more regen. Use haste instead of mana pots. Use mana gem instead of flamecaps. Use evoc. Get more spirit and int in your gear. Switch to mage armor instead of molten. Make sure you grab frost channelling instead of shatter, etc.

3) Switch to a higher damage per mana rotation. That is going to be more frostfire and less living bomb.

Whic #2 options are preferable to #3 is a Rawr question. You shouldn't be guessing at it. Download Rawr, upload your toon, select some generic fight mechanics and play with various options to optimize your planning and playstyle.

But my usual hunch is that most mages who complain about mana problems without specifics are scrimping on consumables.

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Old 11/25/08, 2:38 PM   #163
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Keep in mind the DPM values changed tremendously since the mana cost reduction to fireball ffb frostbolt ab and living bomb

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff

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Old 11/25/08, 3:12 PM   #164
arch
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Hmm, as far as I know, there were talks about taking blink and ice block off the GCD. Blink is pretty much confirmed as hunters version doesn't or shouldn't activate the gcd. But I'm having trouble finding the source mentioning that IB shouldn't be on the gcd. Apparently divine shield is on gcd.

Can anyone confirm/deny whether IB should be on gcd or not? Or point me to the source.

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Old 11/25/08, 3:30 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by manly View Post
MI does not consumes a GCD to cast, however, it does lockout your normally-non-gcd stuff for 1.5s (not affected by haste). In other words, if you do a macro to pop timers, make sure mirror image is always last. (much like it used to be with skull of guldan/hex) You can, however, do 'combustion, MI, FFB' in a macro, and all will cast, since FFB normally consumes a GCD.

To avoid general confusion, MI does not consumes a GCD. If it did, then you would be unable to put MI then follow it up by any spell.
From my testing, it seems like this macro runs into issues where FFB won't cast unless MI is off cooldown, which is somewhat problematic if you use the macro for situations when all your cooldowns are not up at once (e.g. to activate the second trinket when the shared cooldown ends).

Anyone else experience this behavior?

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