Mage: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 13

Nurru · 11/26/08, 6:37 PM

Your Mages are stupid and the cap is 17%.

Rayeth · 11/26/08, 7:34 PM

Are any of your Mages melee re-rolls? That would explain the 9% comment as that is the number melee shoot for on their yellow damage attacks. As noted above casters need 17% to cap out against boss level mobs.

Sojeph · 11/27/08, 2:11 AM

FFB mages with 0/53/18 can get away with 9% if they have full raid, 6% from EP 3% on shadow priest or druid so 8% but that only works for FFB and other frost spells

Lileith · 11/27/08, 4:03 AM

Probably have been discussed somewhere in the warlock forum but :

If I'm running with a Moonkin with Earth and Moon, and the warlocks then use dps curses instead of element. Will I see an increase of partial resist due to the lack of resist debuff? Or it doesn't matter as long as the boss isn't like Supremus/Rage?

Lileith · 11/27/08, 4:14 AM

Delete : Double post

Dustwhisper · 11/27/08, 5:14 AM

With FFB the AOE DPS isn't very good but that's okay, I've tried deep frost and was hitting 15k DPS on trashmobs that could be novaed (chaincasting with frostbiteprocs and WE Freeze). What is a bit annoying to see these days which isn't really raid-based but farmingbased is the fact that a lot of classes can out AOE-grind me so easily. I find that to be an insult!

Systemtemp · 11/27/08, 6:28 AM

Farming with FFB spec = FAIL!
Go either Arcane or Frost if you want to farm/level. 50g is not that much nowadays

Dustwhisper · 11/27/08, 6:32 AM

Oh absolutely =) I go a 10/0/61 spec to farm with shattered barrier and the works for AOE farming =) I'm just saying I find it lackluster compared to other classes (eg. paladin). Sure our numbers are impressive but if just one gets through he pushes back/interupts your blizzard, takes half your health and screws up everything whilst other classes bask in the sunlight getting autohealed while picking up a gazillion frostweave cloth :P

Jonny_Monroe · 11/27/08, 9:56 AM

I have no problems AoE grinding as frostfire. Its all about being able to improvise.

For my own curiosity I once tried AoE grinding as 0/0/0 in TBC and still found 6-mob pulls to be possible if you use the full range of skills at your disposal.

Dustwhisper · 11/27/08, 10:13 AM

What is your FFB AOE method? Livingbomb, round up mobs, frostnova, flamestrike, flamestrike, coc ?

Light4 · 11/27/08, 11:07 AM

I have some questions regarding specs.

I know perfectly well that FFB is king, but for personal reasons I like to stay arcane (58+slow). I also am still questing (loremaster inc.) and arcane is quite fun for that as well.

Since we start Naxx 10 and 25 in about 1-2 weeks I used Rawr to get some impression on the specs using all my equip fpr the optimizer which is at my immediate disposal.
However, I can get no reliable results about where to spend the remaining 12 points. I understand, that it is advantageous to use FB as a filler during heroism because of the haste softcap of AB. However, IV and improved FrB are also nice to have as they practically increase the amount of spells cast under AP (thinking of ABar,AB,FrB rotation if above the softcap for haste - exchange AB/FrB for MBAM on procs because of equal cast time).

Questions:
1) How should I model the MBAM in the custom spell mix for above sequence?
My idea: ABar=1, AB=0.975, FrB=0.975, MBAM=0.15

2) What is the general consensus about an offtree for arcane?
Frost gives higher Frost crits, IV and 3% additional hit while fire gives 6% crit on AB and Ignites on FB. Furthermore, it allows for FBABar rotation during heroism.
Rawr comes up with pretty equal results, so I am somewhat at a loss.

3) Has there been done any testing on raid bosses regarding TtW and snare effects counting towards it apart from slow? All info I could find is from older builds or patches.

DeimosXI · 11/27/08, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by Guintof

I read on the other thread about the fact that mirror image triggers a GCD on abilities out of GCD and therefore it should be put last, just before the main nuke in a macro.

I have tried macroing it but it wont work, I keep pressing the macro but nothing happens.

The macro in question is

#showtooltip Frostfire bolt
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
/cast [combat] Icy veins
/cast [combat] combustion
/cast frostfire bolt

I tried adding MI in between combustion and frostfire bolt but no go. Anybody else having luck with it?

Originally Posted by andastra

Is anybody else having trouble with their combustion/icy veins macros? I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

My combustion macro is:

#showtooltip
/cast combustion
/cast icy veins
/use 13
/cast frostfire bolt

My icy veins macro is the same thing except without combustion. It worked fine with frostbolt when I was frost spec but doesn't seem to work with frostfire bolt. Only the combustion or the icy veins works. It doesn't trinket nor cast frostfire bolt. My trinket macros still work fine after I changed them to frostfire bolt, however.

I am using the following with success.

/cast Combustion
/cast Icy Veins
/use 13
/cast Mirror Image
/cast Frostfire bolt
/cast Frostfire bolt

- Combustion is always the last to come off cool down. By putting it first in the macro my cool down counter shows when all abilities are ready.
- MI last with GCD.
- 2 x FFB to compensate for lag and possible GCD from MI.

I am running around 230 haste so this may be a factor, but the above is working fine for me.

manly · 11/27/08, 7:12 PM

If I were to make a guess, your macro will stop casting frostfire bolts as soon as mirror image is on cooldown.

Tyrian · 11/27/08, 7:23 PM

Can someone please give a quick list of useful Fire/FFB related addon names they have found most useful? I haven't been reading up in the UI forums lately and the comments here are scattered. Namely the best mods for Living Bomb (Help avoid it falling off/not have to look through 30 raid buffs+other LB's to track yours) and watching Hot streak/scorch is what I had in mind - but are there any other specific mods I might be missing that really should be considered?

DeimosXI · 11/27/08, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by manly

If I were to make a guess, your macro will stop casting frostfire bolts as soon as mirror image is on cooldown.

Not sure how it works but it doesn't cancel the FFB. Might be a combination of my haste (around 230) and my lag (avg 500+) that allows it to work.

Originally Posted by Tyrian

Can someone please give a quick list of useful Fire/FFB related addon names they have found most useful? I haven't been reading up in the UI forums lately and the comments here are scattered. Namely the best mods for Living Bomb (Help avoid it falling off/not have to look through 30 raid buffs+other LB's to track yours) and watching Hot streak/scorch is what I had in mind - but are there any other specific mods I might be missing that really should be considered?

Living Bomb - Quartz Cast Bar - Tracks living bomb, FFB dot and scorch with timers above cast bar.
Hot Streak - Power Auras - Can be configured to give graphical and audio queues when Hot Streak is active so you don't miss it.