Originally Posted by Meghane
Has anyone tried aoe grinding with the new fire talents? I know frost for tried and true, and i'll probably end up going back to frost for the long hual, but will likely at least try fire.
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I've done quite a bit of this. The way it works is a lot simpler than you describe.
(optional)
flamestrike/living bomb (if they're being tanked and you're letting tank build threat)
or
blizzard/living bomb (if you're at range and want them to take some damage on the approach)
(main sequence)
dragon breath - critters are now disoriented and can't hurt you
gcd-target the flamestrike
firestarter flamestrike - critters will reorient on you
gcd - move back a little so all the mobs clump in front of you, not in a circle around you
blast wave - critters will blow away in a rough cone in front of you
gcd -target the flamestrike - mobs lumber toward you at half speed setting themselves up for
firestarter flamestrike - critters will mostly be in the target circle, and may be badly beat up that just the dot will kill em anyway
If they're not already dead at this point, you can use frost nova or a cone of cold/arcane explosion
strategy to kite them, dropping living bombs when they come up and waiting for dragon breath to proc again.
If you start out near the mobs, don't bother with the flamestrike/living bomb. Most nonelites will die
just from the four fire spells (DB/FSTR/BW/FSTR).
This approach also works just fine in 5-mans as long as you don't do it on something that has more health than you'll burn down, because you WILL pull aggro unless the tank has a big threat lead. You do have to train the tank not to freak out when the blast wave goes off and his threatmeters start yelling at him. Just make sure everything dies before it hits anyone other than the tank. You can also manage the blast wave sometimes by positioning to blow them into walls.
I'm not sure if blast wave has any use in raids, but in 5 mans it's really very helpful. Stand near the healer.both of you stand maybe 15yd from the trash being tanked. If the tank loses threat on anything and it charges the healer (or you because you pulled aggro), blast wave it back to the tank. BW gives you more time to do a couple more AOE GCD's before the mad stuff starts swinging at you. It also has really good synergy with things like the hunter frost-slow trap or antother mage casting slow or imp blizzard....stuff crawls sloowly toward you and just as it's about to actually hurt someone, you blast it back and halve its already crippled movement.
The above approach isn't so much aoe kiting, it's more just aoe burndown. It'll burn maybe half your mana but it is very, very predictable in how much health it will burn down. Know what that number is, pick your AOE victims accordingly.