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Old 01/23/09, 11:12 PM   #876
jula
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Ravencrest (EU)
I must be missing something, but spent the last 30 minutes and I can't find it. Maybe someone here can help.

I just speceed arcane and using the following gear:
Valorous Frostfire Circlet
Cosmic Lights
Valorous Frostfire Shoulderpads
Heigan's Putrid Vestments
Leash of Heedless Magic
Valorous Frostfire Leggings
Sandals of Crimson Fury
Bindings of the Expansive Mind
Valorous Frostfire Gloves
Ring of the Fated
Titanium Spellshock Ring
Sundial of the Exiled
The Skull of Gul'dan
Shroud of Luminosity
The Soulblade
Matriarch's Spawn
Rod of the Fallen Monarch

As you can see my boots are Sandals of Crimson Fury, however i also have Boots of Impetuous Ideals in my bags.
Rawr recommends using the Sandals. Trying to understand why i looked at the in game tooltip when swapping between the two boots.
The in game tooltip shows an increase from 541 to 562 crit rating when i swap from the Boots of Impetuous Ideals to the Sandals. Both have icewalker enchant and the Sandals have a spl dmg/sta gem socketed.
My question is, where is this extra 21 crit rating difference coming from ? Both have no +crit rating and the Boots of Impetuous Ideals have higher overall int. So how can this be ?
 
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Old 01/24/09, 12:55 AM   #877
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Originally Posted by jula View Post
My question is, where is this extra 21 crit rating difference coming from ? Both have no +crit rating and the Boots of Impetuous Ideals have higher overall int. So how can this be ?
Maybe an inactive meta gem with the Boots of Impetuous Ideals ?
 
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Old 01/24/09, 1:18 PM   #878
Hoffski
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Tortheldrin
Originally Posted by Light4 View Post
I will do some testing when I get home and post the results. I just eyeballed the numbers yesterday for some first judgement. Latency is 300ms+ usually.

After some tests at the level 60 dummies in IF (to avoid partial resists) and using the macro I managed to shatter about 50% of the time standing at max range. I had a latency (according to quartz) between 63ms and 380ms but found no apparent dependence on that. Studying the Log did not reveal anything useful. I missed the combo or hit the combo not depending on when ABar hit w.r.t the 5th missile. (unfortunately, I have no log showing ms and can only use the order in the combat log) It might have something to do with the lag during AM or at the moment you try cast ABar. Someone with a G15 care to try out spamming, because my fingers are probably not fast enough to get the right moment when hammering?
I tested the macro in Nax-25 last night. I got similar results that you got. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. Really unreliable. I was lagging pretty hard though so maybe that was the problem.
 
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Old 01/24/09, 1:49 PM   #879
Light4
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I tried it afterwards in two heroic instance runs and managed the combo with the macro even when standing pretty close (about 10yards).Whatever is responsible for the combo, I can't find it.
 
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Old 01/25/09, 9:16 AM   #880
Bedrayne
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Cenarius
Originally Posted by jula View Post
I must be missing something, but spent the last 30 minutes and I can't find it. Maybe someone here can help.
...
My question is, where is this extra 21 crit rating difference coming from ? Both have no +crit rating and the Boots of Impetuous Ideals have higher overall int. So how can this be ?
As was posted before you lost your meta by removing a blue Gem. Chaotic Skyflare Diamond, which would lower your crit rating by 21. It would also drop your dps by a chunk as you would lose the 3% crit damage.
 
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Old 01/25/09, 10:45 AM   #881
Svo
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Azjol-Nerub
Simple Question:

Is it more beneficial to simply Abar after the AB x3 when there is no MBAM proc rather than AM Clip? (During non-cooldown rotation)
 
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Old 01/25/09, 11:06 AM   #882
 Seonid
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Anachronos (EU)
Rawr indicates that it's higher dps to AM+ABar clip after the ABx3 even if no MB proc.

 
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Old 01/25/09, 2:26 PM   #883
Coloniaa
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Mal'Ganis
How much crit should a FFB Mage have before it becomes less of a priority?
 
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Old 01/25/09, 9:43 PM   #884
Sinless
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Originally Posted by Coloniaa View Post
How much crit should a FFB Mage have before it becomes less of a priority?
Enough with the vague questions.

Rawr - Home

Download, load up your character from Armory. Enjoy.
 
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Old 01/26/09, 1:38 AM   #885
tknightbob
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Thorium Brotherhood
What is the spell hit cap for mages with 3/3 in Elemental Precision?

I know this has already been answered but I couldn't find it in a search. Does anyone know the latest info?

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Old 01/26/09, 3:40 AM   #886
LiquidHAL
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Hyjal
Originally Posted by tknightbob View Post
I know this has already been answered but I couldn't find it in a search. Does anyone know the latest info?

Thank you,
Q
http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t37364-f...e_bolt_thread/


Some nice tables there to find your hit cap depending on your situation.
 
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Old 01/26/09, 5:10 AM   #887
Aeldaar
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Mug'thol
How useful is Soul of the Dead for arcane? 95 crit, procs for 900 mana on spell crit, icd~45 secs.
 
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Old 01/26/09, 5:25 AM   #888
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Gul'dan (EU)
Originally Posted by Aeldaar View Post
How useful is Soul of the Dead for arcane? 95 crit, procs for 900 mana on spell crit, icd~45 secs.
Its pretty useless. You get around 14k every two minutes with Evocate, additional 4k+ with Managem. Even if you get 3 procs in the two minutes thats only 2,7k mana, nothing compared to what a arcane mage needs.

 
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Old 01/26/09, 5:41 AM   #889
Swindley
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Frostwhisper (EU)
Originally Posted by Carnivean View Post
Its pretty useless. You get around 14k every two minutes with Evocate, additional 4k+ with Managem. Even if you get 3 procs in the two minutes thats only 2,7k mana, nothing compared to what a arcane mage needs.
Indeed. Not to mention Arcanes poor critscaling, making the passive bonus very subpar for an arcane mage.
 
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Old 01/26/09, 11:34 AM   #890
swiss
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Bleeding Hollow
TotW

I have seen a few posts of the spells that proc TotW, post patch. But have not seen a complete list. Can you point me in the right direction.

Also are there occasion that 1 spell will over write the spell that is proccing TotW. Are there spells if glyphed will proc it that do not unglyphed? making sure my 25 man spec fits my 10/5 man spec.
 
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Old 01/26/09, 12:00 PM   #891
Thegoodman
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Daggerspine
Originally Posted by Swindley View Post
Indeed. Not to mention Arcanes poor critscaling, making the passive bonus very subpar for an arcane mage.
I think many people have overlooked the poor crit scaling of Arcane because Rawr is a bit deceptive in that it still values Sundial of the Exiled very high because it has a very good proc rate and proc bonus. When comparing passive bonuses, there are many trinkets superior to 84 crit rating, but few can compete with 590 Spell Power for 10 seconds every 45 seconds.
 
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Old 01/26/09, 12:04 PM   #892
Kammautha
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Gnome Mage
 
Hakkar (EU)
In a castsequence macro for arcane such as ab,ab,ab,am (coupled with a nonchanneling abar macro for the clip), shall I calculate my haste for setting the reset?

Thanks in advance
 
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Old 01/26/09, 2:15 PM   #893
Duravi
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Kil'Jaeden
I think many people have overlooked the poor crit scaling of Arcane because Rawr is a bit deceptive in that it still values Sundial of the Exiled very high because it has a very good proc rate and proc bonus. When comparing passive bonuses, there are many trinkets superior to 84 crit rating, but few can compete with 590 Spell Power for 10 seconds every 45 seconds.
This is exactly right, crit is pretty terrible for arcane:


Dying curse is valued right below sun-dial even if your hit capped!
 
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Old 01/26/09, 8:42 PM   #894
Kelfar
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Bronzebeard
Originally Posted by swiss View Post
I have seen a few posts of the spells that proc TotW, post patch. But have not seen a complete list. Can you point me in the right direction.

Also are there occasion that 1 spell will over write the spell that is proccing TotW. Are there spells if glyphed will proc it that do not unglyphed? making sure my 25 man spec fits my 10/5 man spec.
The only spells you should be concerned about that proc TtW are ones tanks can apply, each tank can apply a casting/attack speed slow.

The 4 being:

Frost Fever (Applied by the DK spell Icy Touch, every DK should be using this spell regardless of if they are a tank or dps)
Thunderclap (Applied by a Warrior.)
Infected Wounds (Applied by Feral Druids)
Judgement of Justice (Applied by a Paladin)
 
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Old 01/26/09, 10:34 PM   #895
thunderstung
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Spirestone
Originally Posted by Kelfar View Post
Judgement of Justice (Applied by a Paladin)
Paladin tanks worry me a little, as my understanding is that justice wouldn't be their first choice of judgment depending on raid setup. I notice that they have a 45 point protection talent that should also trigger TotW, which I *assume* most prot paladins would take. But I suppose it's worth double-checking if your main tank is a paladin and you don't have a DK in the raid.

The above set of conditions should be unlikely in 25 man raids, though.
 
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Old 01/27/09, 12:04 AM   #896
IceCracker
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Draenei Mage
 
Mug'thol
I'm doing some math and I'm getting that a 18/53/0 Fireball will crit for more damage than a 0/53/18 FFB (Ignoring outside buffs/mob debuffs). Is this true or are my equations jacked up?

Last edited by IceCracker : 01/27/09 at 12:05 AM. Reason: forgot important info
 
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Old 01/27/09, 12:58 AM   #897
Skorp
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Human Warrior
 
Alexstrasza
I've downloaded Rawr and filled in my appropriate gear and enchants, but what do you click to show which stat would be most beneficial?

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Old 01/27/09, 7:18 AM   #898
Socklop
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Gnome Mage
 
Greymane
I just respecced arcane, and notice a large number of partial resists on Malygos (looks like 10%-20% mostly from glancing at combat log). I'm trying to figure out the dps value of CoE for an arcane mage. Does anyone have a calculated value for his arcane resist, or a way I could find said value?
 
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Old 01/27/09, 7:18 AM   #899
semanteme
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Dreadmaul
Originally Posted by Skorp View Post
I've downloaded Rawr and filled in my appropriate gear and enchants, but what do you click to show which stat would be most beneficial?
In the comparisons plane, under Chart, scroll down until you see the option Relative Stat Values.
 
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Old 01/27/09, 2:02 PM   #900
 manly
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Troll Mage
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Socklop View Post
I just respecced arcane, and notice a large number of partial resists on Malygos (looks like 10%-20% mostly from glancing at combat log). I'm trying to figure out the dps value of CoE for an arcane mage. Does anyone have a calculated value for his arcane resist, or a way I could find said value?
Oh please. Show some proof before posting this kind of stuff.


Log on with different model:
1- Create a character of the desired model. Log on/off.
2- At character selection screen, select your actual character; mouseover the new, desired model character, and hold down left click; hit enter and release left click at the same time.
bug Arcane Potency only applies to the first Arcane Missile bolt.
 
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