ffb pays no snare penalty. its been reported a long time ago. oh and frostbolt still does.

Your threat gets wiped after your invis finishes, then all the threat you build after that point comes back to you after the 30 seconds of MI expires.

A related question is why do the second plus round of cast images seemingly randomly gain an extremely high amount of threat on the boss you're fighting? Had some issues in the raid instances out now where sometimes when my MI cd came back up for the second time, upon using it the boss would suddenly turn to my images and move to gib them.

Edit: This is all after using invis during the first round of MIs so that by the time the second round comes back up my tank is so far ahead of me on threat that I'm just popping the MI for dps purposes.

Hit is high for any build, which is why you want to cap it.

I hate to break it to you, but you're totally off. Check the first page of the Mage WotLK thread.
3/3.5 on the direct hit, 0 on the DoT.

Arcane Barrage having a damage range doen't exactly help, and your description is pretty vague as well.
I don't want to sound rude, but there's been lots of back and forth and people randomly mentioning debuffs without any testing.

Could you or anyone else do a test with Arcane Missiles and no procs and record the damage before IW (right on the pull) and afterwards, perhaps with a screenie?

Would probably be best to make a separate thread for Torment.


The Mirror Images gain your threat, but that shouldn't make them pull aggro.
Maybe they get the threat that you would have if you hadn't used invisibility?

Not that it makes any sense, but pulling aggro makes even less sense.
Does it happen consistently or just sometimes? A screenie when that happens might help perhaps.

How long does deep freeze last?

I've noticed that the cast sequence deep freeze - frostbolt - ice lance - ice lance works, with the final ice lance still hitting the target in deep freeze. This sequence should take 5.5 seconds, so for this to be possible would require 10% haste, in a perfect zero lag situation. Yet with neither of these things ( 8% haste and 150 ms) it's routine to pull out this combo.

I'm convinced it's not a frostbite / FoF proc making it look like ice lance is hitting deep freeze. So does deep freeze last longer than 5s?

Quick inquiry: Does 2pcT7 stack with the glyph / SCB? (You gain 40% more mana when you use a mana gem. In addition, using a mana gem grants you 225 spell power for 15 sec.)

Guys: The new forum layout makes it more practical (and encourages) players to create threads on class-specific topics, instead of relying on megathreads. With that said, its a little silly reading this thread when a sizeable chunk of the conversation is about Frostfire (mechanics + builds) and another chunk about Spec-specific playstyle, such as Frost. These sorts of things are intended to get new threads where a full topic can be wholly devoted to their dissection.

Frostfire definetely needs its own topic for discussion. A full write-up and review of mechanics, relevant talents, item stat values, general Q and A (it still is a source of confusion for many players) etc, suitable talent specs, playstyle - etc . The same could be said for each of the talent trees, mage-specific related combat mechanics (hit/stat values for a given spec/mirror image workings), mage-specific levelling tips and advice etc.

I understand people are apprehensive to create new topics, but the current state of this forum does not reflect the intended goal of the new forum structure - namely: focused discussion on class-specific topics under a relevant sub-forum.

My question for the 'simple answers/questions' thread is: What are some topics mages feel are worthy of their own thread for discussion in this subforum? I mentioned frostfire as one, would like to hear some more suggestions and flesh this forum out a little more.

Well, the goal isn't to make an explosion of threads either, namely one for one and every possible subject.

1- mechanics (specific non-obvious uses for talents, or bugs)
2- theorycraft. I would also put everything more related toward 'what is the standard formula for fireball dps'.
3- faq
4- 'welcome to the mages forums, basic information for new mages'
5- maybe one thread per major spec. I would probably dumb it down to 'arcane/fire/frost' and no 'deep-fire/fireball' and deep-fire/ffb' subdivision.

I've been searching abit, but couldnt find the answer. Noticed the question was already asked in the profession thread, but no conclusions.

Simple question, does the engineering hand mounted rocket launcher benefit from mage talents? Would it cause ignite? I'm asking here because it's specificly related to mages and this enchant, concidering all the firedmg boosting talents we have.

I know it might not be an optimal enchant compared to regular hand enchant, since it causes a GCD, but I like it and I think it's fun! Fire talents would just help it not suck so bad.

So, any firemages tested this yet?

Anyone know if glyph of arcane intellect works for Dalaran Intellect / Brilliance?

Apologies for picking at this further; I had checked the wotlk thread first but assumed FFB hadn't been updated for 3.0.3 yet. I don't know who to believe anymore!

The cloth Spirit and + MP5 items would be aimed at priests as healing gear. A mage should never be stacking MP5 or spirit for mana gains in any case, intellect is your friend.

Pass up the spi/mp5 gear and go for maximum spell damage, hit to cap, haste, crit and int.

Edit: Personally I would take haste over crit if you're left with a decent amount of mana on most encounters, if you struggle for mana, take crit over haste.