epoh

The reason this hasn't been posted is because there is not simple answer. There are several factors that will effect this - raid makeup, how active is replenishment (dependent on other people's crit rating, etc), how high is the raid's dps (how long the fights take), for start. I generally have around 22k mana and 650mp5 while casting during 25man raids. If we are doing well and the bosses are coming down in under 3 mins, I can do almost entirely ABspan until MB procs, making use of gems, a crazy alchemist's pot and evocate is necessary.

Honestly, another reason is that it's not really something you should worry about. You should be stacking spellpower whenever possible and then haste then crit after that. Int, spirit and mp5 are all lower down the list. It's already been shown that a tighter rotation using Molten Armor is higher dps than the alternative.

 

homet

While theoretically true (and plenty of us mages have been successfully pulling this off with Molten Armor) it is much more difficult to keep your mana if you do not do your rotations perfectly; you will go OOM and short of cooldowns before the fight ends. Anecdotally, I have heard and experienced shortages at between 3% and 10% of boss health. Clearly, this means we who play will need to work harder, but one can achieve near-same DPS with mage armor and a much looser rotation. This is especially true during fights whose length expands beyond 5 to 7 minutes.

 

Batar

Would someone be willing to take a look at this wws parse and give me a critique. Wow Web Stats
All that i can see is that it looks like i spend alot of time not casting, i dont really know how to increase that without getting burned alive. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

Coilsthewarlock

I see a lot of arcane mages (like myself) running around in pvp and I'd say I do alright but every time I come across a frost mage he/she seems to be doing better than me. I don't know if its just a coincidence or not. But I would like to know what is the "best" PvP spec for both battlegrounds and 2v2 for my purposes ?

 

Masaru

I have a question about haste capping that I can't find a good answer on for the life of me. This might be a commonly known answer, but...

I'm currently using FFB spec. I have [Embrace of the Spider] and Hyperspeed Accelerators and it occurs to me that I've never really noticed them giving me what should be 354 (base) + 505 (Embrace) + 340 (Hyper-Speed) = 1,199 haste (36% haste?), much less when Icy Veins goes off. With all these haste mechanics, am I coming up against a cap?

 

BeeLz

Well if your dps time is low it's obvious that you are moving too much or ineffiecently. So all I can say is try to position yourself better, put yourself on the spot where you shouldn't get hit by 1 of the 2 firewalls, use blink for firewalls and use instants when moving.

 

epoh

Oh, no doubt, I personally run with glyphed mage armor because my raids can vary so much and I don't always have the external mana sources I'd need to run molten.

 

LiquidHAL

If lack of replenishment is often an issue you should probably go FFB. It's extremely mana efficient. Arcane pulls ahead of FFB under ideal conditions, but without replenish it falls behind, and without glyphed molten armor up your DPS will be way down regardless.

 

Vardur

How much better is the Molten Armor-Glyph than the Arcane Missiles-Glyph in DPS? In the last weeks i raided with the AM-Glyph.

 

Junlex

What other glyphs are you running? For arcane the top DPS glyphs are Arcane Blast, Arcane Missiles and Molten Armor.

Edit; sorry, brainfart, corrected Arcane Blast glyph

 

willem11

arcane blast>arcane barrage

 

Vardur

Actually I'm running on Arcane Power, Arcane Missiles and Arcane Blast on live server.

 

epoh

My dps actually went up nearly 1k when I switched to Arcane. I haven't tried FFB again since the last patch, but that's mainly because I love arcane.

 

TantalusHyjal

The extra three seconds that you get with Arcane Power Glyph are not worth the 2% to crit that you lose by replacing the Molten Armor Glyph.

And in the new rotation Abarr is not used as commonly as it was pre this patch, making the already better Glyph of Arcane Blast even more superior.

 

Duravi

The hard cap is the one second gcd, if having more haste reduces your cast time below that you still have to wait for gcd before your next cast. That's the easy answer.

The harder answer is that the more of one dmg stat you have the better it makes the others and the worse it becomes point for point to those others in comparison. This is why (if you dont throw in combustion cannibalizing) 200 crit and 200 dmg from wild magic ends up being better for frostfire than 500 haste, if you look at the weightings before you add the numbers in it would seem to be the opposite. But each time you add one of those points of haste in the relative value of haste to dmg/crit goes down a small amount, and adding 500 points is significant.

 

Junlex

Sorry, yes, I meant Glyph of Arcane Blast rather than Arcane Barrage (which doesn't even exist on live). My mistake, corrected now. It was determined that Molten Armor is superior to the Arcane Power glyph in the Arcane thread I'm fairly sure.

 

Aremihc

So, I was doing the math for Netherwind Presence, and I can't figure it out. In-game, I show a "real-world" haste of 21.13%. My paperdoll shows 16.38%(537 rating). Adding my haste and NP comes up with 22.38%, which is higher than it really is. Applying them seperate comes up with 19.23%, which is lower than actual. Applying NP to my native casts and increasing my haste by it comes up with 19.99% also lower than actual... Can someone clarify? Thanks.

 

◊ manly

final_cast_time = talented_cast_time / (1 + total_haste_rating / haste_rating_per_percent / 100) / netherwind_presence / wrath_of_air [/ retribution_aura or imp_moonkin_aura] [/ bloodlust or power_infusion] [/ icy veins] [/ berserking]

in other words, youre calculating haste the wrong way

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bug Arcane Potency only applies to the first Arcane Missile bolt.

 

jinjaka

hi mages.

I know the cap hit in spé 0/53/18 is 265.

what is the cap in spé 18/53/0 plz ??

thanks for the answers

 

Pye

No.

 

jinjaka

cap hit in spe 18/53/0 is 367 unbuff ?

outch..

 

Magelove

No.

Hit cap is 445 unbuffed.

Your reading the table wrong, seen as your horde you wont gain dranei racial hit so ignore that. Also FB spec does not take Precision talent so ignore that too. You should be looking at the hit caps with misery/fairyfire depending on your raid composition.

 

Baruk

so 367 is indeed correct if you always have a spriest/oomkin

Per Aspera ad Astra

 

Pheroz

Rounding is a good way to surprise yourself when the rare event happens, as its is still possible. 368 is the number needed to cap your spell hit with misery/imp FF. Just as 446 is required with no raid buffs.

 

Light4

This, however, reduces the relative value of the last point of hit, so keep that in mind, when comparing item sets that have their weak spot in that last point.