Mage: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 59

Kryptonik · 01/23/09, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by epoh

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I did 5k on patchwerk last night without manage cooldowns and during some horrific lag (you'll notice everyone's numbers are a little low.)

Expect a nerf on arcane in the near future. I will be amazed if this stays the way it is for very long.

What rotation did you use?

and can you link ur talent spec please?

manly · 01/23/09, 11:42 AM

Well, my real concern is whether or not you pay an extra lag_time on your cast time. If that is the case, then its probably a dps loss no matter. Thing is, [nochanneling] used to be, as far as i remember, always behave based on client-side 'no channeling' being done, which means it waits for the client-side to be done casting, rather than begin to cast once the spell is done casting on the server side.

Light4 · 01/23/09, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by manly

This needs thorough testing and multiple reconfirmation. If this is true we just eliminated the clipping issues.
If anybody has his abarr set as "/cast [nochanneling] arcane barrage" and that has absolutely no other way to cast abarr outside of that, pm me the parses. I need to see if the results are reproducible, and if they are reproducible at what success rate. If the success rate of that technique beats the typical success rate while doing otherwise, then we have a definite winner.

I will do some testing when I get home and post the results. I just eyeballed the numbers yesterday for some first judgement. Latency is 300ms+ usually.

After some tests at the level 60 dummies in IF (to avoid partial resists) and using the macro I managed to shatter about 50% of the time standing at max range. I had a latency (according to quartz) between 63ms and 380ms but found no apparent dependence on that. Studying the Log did not reveal anything useful. I missed the combo or hit the combo not depending on when ABar hit w.r.t the 5th missile. (unfortunately, I have no log showing ms and can only use the order in the combat log) It might have something to do with the lag during AM or at the moment you try cast ABar. Someone with a G15 care to try out spamming, because my fingers are probably not fast enough to get the right moment when hammering?

epoh · 01/23/09, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Kryptonik

What rotation did you use?

and can you link ur talent spec please?

<--- The smaller link of my name goes to the armory where you can see my spec. I did swap it since that naxx run, took 1 point from threat reduction, 1 from range and 1 from insta-invis and put them into pushback resistance.

Rotation is just ABx3,AM,Abarr repeat. i try to use my mana gem at around 75%, but wiith that fight i forgot until i was at like 40% mana? I saved iv just for evo, and didn't use it as part of heroism.

Blazemost · 01/23/09, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by deadlyice

Anyone know a layout like this one for the 57.3.11 Arcane spec for best gear options?

Valorous Frostfire Circlet: MSD, +19SP
Wyrmrest Necklace of Power: +32 SP
Valorous Frostfire Shoulderpads: +8 INT/+9 SP
Pennant Cloak: +32 SP
Heigan's Putrid Vestmants: +32 SP, +8 INT/+9 SP
Unsullied Cuffs: +19 SP
The Turning Tide:
Surplus Limb
Fading Glow
Valorous Frostfire Gloves: +19 SP
Leash of Heedless Magic: +19 SP
Valorous Frostfire Leggings: +19 SP/+8 INT/+9 SP
Arcanic Tramplers
Band of Channeled Magic
Signet of Manifested Pain
Embrace of the Spider
Illustration of the Dragon Soul

This is assuming Misery, 3 hit rating below cap. Assuming JC/BS, enchanting is just as equal as of patch 3.0.8. The value of INT is about 4 points above the value of haste in a 3 minute fight. This is also considering that 10 INT's value increases faster than others because you should be AB spamming at the start of your first AB3, and at the end if timed correctly.

Sorry about no links.

jula · 01/23/09, 10:12 PM

I must be missing something, but spent the last 30 minutes and I can't find it. Maybe someone here can help.

I just speceed arcane and using the following gear:
Valorous Frostfire Circlet
Cosmic Lights
Valorous Frostfire Shoulderpads
Heigan's Putrid Vestments
Leash of Heedless Magic
Valorous Frostfire Leggings
Sandals of Crimson Fury
Bindings of the Expansive Mind
Valorous Frostfire Gloves
Ring of the Fated
Titanium Spellshock Ring
Sundial of the Exiled
The Skull of Gul'dan
Shroud of Luminosity
The Soulblade
Matriarch's Spawn
Rod of the Fallen Monarch

As you can see my boots are Sandals of Crimson Fury, however i also have Boots of Impetuous Ideals in my bags.
Rawr recommends using the Sandals. Trying to understand why i looked at the in game tooltip when swapping between the two boots.
The in game tooltip shows an increase from 541 to 562 crit rating when i swap from the Boots of Impetuous Ideals to the Sandals. Both have icewalker enchant and the Sandals have a spl dmg/sta gem socketed.
My question is, where is this extra 21 crit rating difference coming from ? Both have no +crit rating and the Boots of Impetuous Ideals have higher overall int. So how can this be ?

detached · 01/23/09, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by jula

My question is, where is this extra 21 crit rating difference coming from ? Both have no +crit rating and the Boots of Impetuous Ideals have higher overall int. So how can this be ?

Maybe an inactive meta gem with the Boots of Impetuous Ideals ?

Hoffski · 01/24/09, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Light4

I will do some testing when I get home and post the results. I just eyeballed the numbers yesterday for some first judgement. Latency is 300ms+ usually.

After some tests at the level 60 dummies in IF (to avoid partial resists) and using the macro I managed to shatter about 50% of the time standing at max range. I had a latency (according to quartz) between 63ms and 380ms but found no apparent dependence on that. Studying the Log did not reveal anything useful. I missed the combo or hit the combo not depending on when ABar hit w.r.t the 5th missile. (unfortunately, I have no log showing ms and can only use the order in the combat log) It might have something to do with the lag during AM or at the moment you try cast ABar. Someone with a G15 care to try out spamming, because my fingers are probably not fast enough to get the right moment when hammering?

I tested the macro in Nax-25 last night. I got similar results that you got. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. Really unreliable. I was lagging pretty hard though so maybe that was the problem.

Light4 · 01/24/09, 12:49 PM

I tried it afterwards in two heroic instance runs and managed the combo with the macro even when standing pretty close (about 10yards).Whatever is responsible for the combo, I can't find it.

Bedrayne · 01/25/09, 8:16 AM

Originally Posted by jula

I must be missing something, but spent the last 30 minutes and I can't find it. Maybe someone here can help.
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My question is, where is this extra 21 crit rating difference coming from ? Both have no +crit rating and the Boots of Impetuous Ideals have higher overall int. So how can this be ?

As was posted before you lost your meta by removing a blue Gem. Chaotic Skyflare Diamond, which would lower your crit rating by 21. It would also drop your dps by a chunk as you would lose the 3% crit damage.

Svo · 01/25/09, 9:45 AM

Simple Question:

Is it more beneficial to simply Abar after the AB x3 when there is no MBAM proc rather than AM Clip? (During non-cooldown rotation)

♦ Seonid · 01/25/09, 10:06 AM

Rawr indicates that it's higher dps to AM+ABar clip after the ABx3 even if no MB proc.

Coloniaa · 01/25/09, 1:26 PM

How much crit should a FFB Mage have before it becomes less of a priority?

Sinless · 01/25/09, 8:43 PM

Originally Posted by Coloniaa

How much crit should a FFB Mage have before it becomes less of a priority?

Enough with the vague questions.

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Download, load up your character from Armory. Enjoy.

tknightbob · 01/26/09, 12:38 AM

I know this has already been answered but I couldn't find it in a search. Does anyone know the latest info?

Thank you,
Q