Mage: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 60

LiquidHAL · 01/26/09, 2:40 AM

Originally Posted by tknightbob

I know this has already been answered but I couldn't find it in a search. Does anyone know the latest info?

Thank you,
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http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t37364-f...e_bolt_thread/

Some nice tables there to find your hit cap depending on your situation.

Aeldaar · 01/26/09, 4:10 AM

How useful is Soul of the Dead for arcane? 95 crit, procs for 900 mana on spell crit, icd~45 secs.

Carnivean · 01/26/09, 4:25 AM

Originally Posted by Aeldaar

How useful is Soul of the Dead for arcane? 95 crit, procs for 900 mana on spell crit, icd~45 secs.

Its pretty useless. You get around 14k every two minutes with Evocate, additional 4k+ with Managem. Even if you get 3 procs in the two minutes thats only 2,7k mana, nothing compared to what a arcane mage needs.

Swindley · 01/26/09, 4:41 AM

Originally Posted by Carnivean

Its pretty useless. You get around 14k every two minutes with Evocate, additional 4k+ with Managem. Even if you get 3 procs in the two minutes thats only 2,7k mana, nothing compared to what a arcane mage needs.

Indeed. Not to mention Arcanes poor critscaling, making the passive bonus very subpar for an arcane mage.

swiss · 01/26/09, 10:34 AM

I have seen a few posts of the spells that proc TotW, post patch. But have not seen a complete list. Can you point me in the right direction.

Also are there occasion that 1 spell will over write the spell that is proccing TotW. Are there spells if glyphed will proc it that do not unglyphed? making sure my 25 man spec fits my 10/5 man spec.

Thegoodman · 01/26/09, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Swindley

Indeed. Not to mention Arcanes poor critscaling, making the passive bonus very subpar for an arcane mage.

I think many people have overlooked the poor crit scaling of Arcane because Rawr is a bit deceptive in that it still values Sundial of the Exiled very high because it has a very good proc rate and proc bonus. When comparing passive bonuses, there are many trinkets superior to 84 crit rating, but few can compete with 590 Spell Power for 10 seconds every 45 seconds.

Kammautha · 01/26/09, 11:04 AM

In a castsequence macro for arcane such as ab,ab,ab,am (coupled with a nonchanneling abar macro for the clip), shall I calculate my haste for setting the reset?

Thanks in advance

Duravi · 01/26/09, 1:15 PM

I think many people have overlooked the poor crit scaling of Arcane because Rawr is a bit deceptive in that it still values Sundial of the Exiled very high because it has a very good proc rate and proc bonus. When comparing passive bonuses, there are many trinkets superior to 84 crit rating, but few can compete with 590 Spell Power for 10 seconds every 45 seconds.

This is exactly right, crit is pretty terrible for arcane:

Dying curse is valued right below sun-dial even if your hit capped!

Kelfar · 01/26/09, 7:42 PM

Originally Posted by swiss

I have seen a few posts of the spells that proc TotW, post patch. But have not seen a complete list. Can you point me in the right direction.

Also are there occasion that 1 spell will over write the spell that is proccing TotW. Are there spells if glyphed will proc it that do not unglyphed? making sure my 25 man spec fits my 10/5 man spec.

The only spells you should be concerned about that proc TtW are ones tanks can apply, each tank can apply a casting/attack speed slow.

The 4 being:

Frost Fever (Applied by the DK spell Icy Touch, every DK should be using this spell regardless of if they are a tank or dps)
Thunderclap (Applied by a Warrior.)
Infected Wounds (Applied by Feral Druids)
Judgement of Justice (Applied by a Paladin)

thunderstung · 01/26/09, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kelfar

Judgement of Justice (Applied by a Paladin)

Paladin tanks worry me a little, as my understanding is that justice wouldn't be their first choice of judgment depending on raid setup. I notice that they have a 45 point protection talent that should also trigger TotW, which I *assume* most prot paladins would take. But I suppose it's worth double-checking if your main tank is a paladin and you don't have a DK in the raid.

The above set of conditions should be unlikely in 25 man raids, though.

IceCracker · 01/26/09, 11:04 PM

I'm doing some math and I'm getting that a 18/53/0 Fireball will crit for more damage than a 0/53/18 FFB (Ignoring outside buffs/mob debuffs). Is this true or are my equations jacked up?

Skorp · 01/26/09, 11:58 PM

I've downloaded Rawr and filled in my appropriate gear and enchants, but what do you click to show which stat would be most beneficial?

Socklop · 01/27/09, 6:18 AM

I just respecced arcane, and notice a large number of partial resists on Malygos (looks like 10%-20% mostly from glancing at combat log). I'm trying to figure out the dps value of CoE for an arcane mage. Does anyone have a calculated value for his arcane resist, or a way I could find said value?

semanteme · 01/27/09, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by Skorp

I've downloaded Rawr and filled in my appropriate gear and enchants, but what do you click to show which stat would be most beneficial?

In the comparisons plane, under Chart, scroll down until you see the option Relative Stat Values.

manly · 01/27/09, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by Socklop

I just respecced arcane, and notice a large number of partial resists on Malygos (looks like 10%-20% mostly from glancing at combat log). I'm trying to figure out the dps value of CoE for an arcane mage. Does anyone have a calculated value for his arcane resist, or a way I could find said value?

Oh please. Show some proof before posting this kind of stuff.