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04/15/09, 8:37 PM
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#1476
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by hypetech
We noticed the same thing last night, so I believe they did.
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They also changed the animation. If you blizzard with no targets under it, the snow missiles go straight down, but when targets are hit by them they rain down at various angles.
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04/15/09, 10:43 PM
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#1477
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says things
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Originally Posted by nisaea
Simple question: Frostbolt and TTW: does the first frostbolt on a fresh target get the 12% bonus from TTW, or only the subsequent ones?
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Only subsequent ones.
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04/15/09, 10:46 PM
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#1478
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Glass Joe
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Has anyone had any luck obtaining a Glyph of Living Bomb on their server? As far as I can tell, only 2 inscribers on my server have even gotten [Book of Glyph Mastery], and both are charging a few hundred gold for their glyphs (neither of which is Living Bomb).
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04/16/09, 3:06 AM
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#1479
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Soda Popinski
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The books of glyph mastery dont require the looter to be a scribe. As such, theyre just like a random world drops (from high lvl mobs). So you can buy them off the AH. Eventually people will have all patterns.
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Log on with different model:
1- Create a character of the desired model. Log on/off.
2- At character selection screen, select your actual character; mouseover the new, desired model character, and hold down left click; hit enter and release left click at the same time.
bug Arcane Potency only applies to the first Arcane Missile bolt.
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04/16/09, 3:15 AM
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#1480
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Glass Joe
Ezu
Undead Mage
Barthilas
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So why are we getting huge amounts of partial resists now in 3.1, eg: I got 20,000 damage partially resisted just from my fireballs on a razorscale kill last night.
Yeah don't remember getting anywhere near this amount when being hit capped throughout all of Wrath, did they mess something up or did they just give bosses higher resists now.
This reminds me of TBC where you'd get RNG'd like made with partials even when fully hit capped, I thought Wrath fixed this?
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04/16/09, 5:33 AM
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#1481
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Rogue
Zenedar (EU)
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FB/ToTW + AoE?
1) I've noticed many FB/ToTW builds don't pickup Blast Wave, Dragon's Breath or the instant Flamestrike talent. With that in mind, what is your rotation on AoE trash? Chain-cast Blizzard? Chain-cast Arcane Explosion?
2) What class/talent-specs can provide the 5% crit debuff? Scorch Mages, Winter's Chill Mages, Afflic or Destruction Warlocks? Am I missing any? I'm trying to decide if to use the Scorch glyph or not.
Thanks!
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04/16/09, 9:10 AM
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#1482
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Great Tiger
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1) AEing trash is typically either straight Blizzard (low HP trash) or Flamestrike, downranked Flamestrike, Blizzard.
2) Scorch (talented), Winter's Chill, or Improved Shadowbolt (available to many warlock builds but skipped by fire typically).
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04/16/09, 9:32 AM
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#1483
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Seeth
1) I've noticed many FB/ToTW builds don't pickup Blast Wave, Dragon's Breath or the instant Flamestrike talent. With that in mind, what is your rotation on AoE trash? Chain-cast Blizzard? Chain-cast Arcane Explosion?
2) What class/talent-specs can provide the 5% crit debuff? Scorch Mages, Winter's Chill Mages, Afflic or Destruction Warlocks? Am I missing any? I'm trying to decide if to use the Scorch glyph or not.
Thanks!
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Even if you have Blast Wave, I'd be extremely cautious using it unglyphed, and wouldn't suggest it even with the glyph for a couple reasons:
1. Unglyphed, you still have the knockback, potentially annoying the hell out of all AoE'ing melee and any DK/pally tanks (DnD, Consecration)
2. Even glyphed, you're a ranged class, just stay ranged and use your max rank Flamestrike, downranked Flamestrike and Blizzard, then repeat.
If you have a problem with mobs running up to you, Frost nova is a better choice, as it's a root effect allowing a pally to throw down a Consecration or DK to use Death and Decay and pick up agro.
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04/16/09, 10:10 AM
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#1484
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Von Kaiser
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It's been a while since I've been FFB, but I plan to for this weekend's first Ulduar raid. Have a few questions I'm hoping to clarify about Hot Streak:
1) From the 3.1 Mage Compendium
Hot Streak
This talent works like a counter that counts how many critical strikes with the listed spells you have just had in a row.
When it reaches 2, the counter resets and you gain the Hot Streak buff for one instant Pyroblast.
With Living Bomb, it triggers if you have two criticals in a row in the order of your combat log.
The counter continues to count anew even if you haven't cast your Pyroblast yet.
You're not going to lose charges to double crits just because you cannot react on your most recent spell.
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I'm not sure what this is saying. Previously, you'd waste crits for potential future Hot Streaks if you haven't yet consumed a current Hot Streak proc. Is this no longer the case?
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2) From this post:
Originally Posted by nathanbp
Why would you ever delay your Hot Streak in order to cast another FFB? All you're doing is setting yourself up to lose a proc if Living Bomb explodes.
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Why would you lose a proc if LB explodes? I've also heard of problems with LB and consuming Combustion charges too...
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3) Is it still the best practice to scorch or FFB before using a Hot Streak proc to avoid Ignite munching (or other reasons)? Or are there reasons to use it immediately?
Thanks in advance. I tried looking up all these things by searching "Hot Streak" but as you can imagine there are tons of results and I just got more confused the more I read.
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04/16/09, 10:36 AM
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#1485
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Aethon
Even if you have Blast Wave, I'd be extremely cautious using it unglyphed, and wouldn't suggest it even with the glyph for a couple reasons:
1. Unglyphed, you still have the knockback, potentially annoying the hell out of all AoE'ing melee and any DK/pally tanks (DnD, Consecration)
2. Even glyphed, you're a ranged class, just stay ranged and use your max rank Flamestrike, downranked Flamestrike and Blizzard, then repeat.
If you have a problem with mobs running up to you, Frost nova is a better choice, as it's a root effect allowing a pally to throw down a Consecration or DK to use Death and Decay and pick up agro.
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What's the reason for downranked Flamestrike? I've been doing Max Rank Flamestrike followed by blizzards till dot wears off, then repeat. Guess I've been doing it wrong?
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04/16/09, 10:37 AM
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#1486
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Glass Joe
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A few things I should be able to answer:
1.) Basically, if you cast a Scorch 10 minutes ago and it crit, then the next one crit you'll still get a Hot Streak, even though there was significant time in between.
2.) You "lose" a proc if another spell resets the counter. I partially disagree with the quote, due to in air times, if you're standing at range, you can easily get off an instant pyro before the FFB lands. Scorch doesn't have an in air time, so I could see the point of the quote from that perspective. Also, you'll want to make sure that LB isn't about to explode.
I don't have an answer on Combustion still being consumed by LB. I'd assume it still does because of the mechanics of the two spells.
3.) Depends on you. I'd say no to scorch, but yes to FFB if LB isn't about to explode. The in air time of FFB should allow you to get off an instant pyro before a potential Hot Streak is flagged again.
Many people on the forums belive that you shouldn't waste a Hot Streak unless you're under Bloodlust.
EDIT: To the above: Flamestrike ticks will stack with other ranks of Flamestrike. So, if you cast your highest, then your lowest and put up an 8 sec (without haste) Blizzard, you'll get all 3 spell DoT's in that area.
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04/16/09, 10:43 AM
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#1487
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by lgtcount
What's the reason for downranked Flamestrike? I've been doing Max Rank Flamestrike followed by blizzards till dot wears off, then repeat. Guess I've been doing it wrong?
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Max rank flamestrike is higher DPS then Blizzard assuming the DoT gets to tick to completion.
Downranked flamestrike is still higher DPS then Blizzard assuming that DoT gets to tick to completion.
Flamestrike of 2 different ranks will not overwrite each others DoTs.
Blizzard is higher DPS than any flamestrike when they DoT is not going to get to tick.
So the general policy is put up the 2 top ranks of flamestrike, becuase they are highest dps (since your not overwriting the DoT of a prior flamestrike) then Blizzard becuase it would be next highest dps. Obviously, if there was a good chance Living Bomb would last untill explosion, that would be first before the flamestrikes.
I beleive theres a post that shows the expected DPS of AOE on packs in the first post of the Frostfire Bolt thread.
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04/16/09, 10:53 AM
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#1488
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Aethon
A few things I should be able to answer:
2.) You "lose" a proc if another spell resets the counter. I partially disagree with the quote, due to in air times, if you're standing at range, you can easily get off an instant pyro before the FFB lands. Scorch doesn't have an in air time, so I could see the point of the quote from that perspective. Also, you'll want to make sure that LB isn't about to explode.
I don't have an answer on Combustion still being consumed by LB. I'd assume it still does because of the mechanics of the two spells.
3.) Depends on you. I'd say no to scorch, but yes to FFB if LB isn't about to explode.
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Could you explain this? What's special about the LB explosion regarding Hot Streak?
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04/16/09, 10:56 AM
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#1489
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Don Flamenco
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The Living Bomb explosion can crit and it counts for the purpose of Hot Streak.
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04/16/09, 11:29 AM
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#1490
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Glass Joe
Human Mage
Altar of Storms
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Fire Blast Glyph, Mirror Image
Hey, I've got a couple of questions if anyone has experience with the new patch:
1) Fire Blast, its Glyph, and the new Impact
Impact has been changed to a proc chance for your next Fire Blast to stun. The Fire Blast Glyph gives your Fire Blast +50% crit vs. stunned targets. Does a Glyphed Fire Blast cast during an Impact proc get the +50% crit?
2) Mirror Image damage
I've heard conflicting reports that the damage of the Fire Blast cast by Mirror Images has been again reduced. Is this true, or are the numbers still 163-169 + 10% for Frost Bolt and 88-98 + 5% for Fire Blast?
Just if anyone knows. Thanks in advance.
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04/16/09, 11:57 AM
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#1491
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Aethon
If you have a problem with mobs running up to you, Frost nova is a better choice, as it's a root effect allowing a pally to throw down a Consecration or DK to use Death and Decay and pick up agro.
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I strongly disagree. Strongly. Rooted mobs will turn and hit anybody within range, most likely a nearby caster, most likely a clothie. We had a hunter who would frequently feign death in the middle of the caster camp; of course, he never died but other people did.
Blast Wave dazes (50% speed reduction) and tosses them back. They still have aggro on you, but you still have Ice Block, Frost Nova (if you really must) and Mirror Image, and your tank has lots of time to pick him up again. No dead casters.
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04/16/09, 1:02 PM
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#1492
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Glass Joe
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If you're on the top of agro for mobs you root, won't they still pine for you, rooted or not?
I've not had any issues with it in raids, so my experience is limited. In the case you stated above, wouldn't they just do the same thing if you Ice Blocked?
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04/16/09, 1:24 PM
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#1493
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Don Flamenco
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No. A mob that is rooted/immobilized will no longer attempt to attack the highest on its threat list if it cannot reach it, it will only consider mobs it can reach. Using frost nova in raids is ussually dumb and a good way to get people killed.
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04/16/09, 1:42 PM
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#1494
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Von Kaiser
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A few pages ago in one of the threads it was discussed that the Frostfire Bolt debuff (dot) could directly increase DK dps due to procing a spell (or something of the sort). Does anyone know the ability for DKs? I was going to confirm this with a DK in guild but they dont seem to know what I'm talking about.
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04/16/09, 1:43 PM
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#1495
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Perverse and often baffling
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Originally Posted by Doroteasenjk
I strongly disagree. Strongly. Rooted mobs will turn and hit anybody within range, most likely a nearby caster, most likely a clothie. We had a hunter who would frequently feign death in the middle of the caster camp; of course, he never died but other people did.
Blast Wave dazes (50% speed reduction) and tosses them back. They still have aggro on you, but you still have Ice Block, Frost Nova (if you really must) and Mirror Image, and your tank has lots of time to pick him up again. No dead casters.
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You can also wait til they are nearly in melee range then blink thru them and run them back to the tanks while screaming for them to get them off you in vent. If you run past the tanks and they're still on you you can frost nova them and they'll hopefully be frozen in melee range of the tanks. However, this also has the potential to gib your melee dps so use with caution.
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04/16/09, 1:47 PM
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#1496
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Perverse and often baffling
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Originally Posted by Zerstorung
A few pages ago in one of the threads it was discussed that the Frostfire Bolt debuff (dot) could directly increase DK dps due to procing a spell (or something of the sort). Does anyone know the ability for DKs? I was going to confirm this with a DK in guild but they dont seem to know what I'm talking about.
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[Glyph of Blood Strike] This used to work with heart strike as well but I think it only works with blood strike now. The FFB snare shouldn't count as a snare against boss level targets so it would only matter on trash.
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04/16/09, 1:48 PM
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#1497
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Zerstorung
A few pages ago in one of the threads it was discussed that the Frostfire Bolt debuff (dot) could directly increase DK dps due to procing a spell (or something of the sort). Does anyone know the ability for DKs? I was going to confirm this with a DK in guild but they dont seem to know what I'm talking about.
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Blood DPS App. Stn. - Don't Stop Diseasin' (Feat. Runic Power Mastery).mp3
Towards the bottom of the post, in Things to Remember. Note that the thread is locked. I don't know enough about DK's to know if the current specs are the same, but you asked about something from the previous patch.
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04/16/09, 2:04 PM
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#1498
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Glass Joe
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I've found Blast Wave most useful without the glyph, it's fairly trivial to knock mobs back into consecrate radius. It saves a bunch of running around.
edited to add a question;
I've been stacking mirror image and icy veins on the assumption that they'd compliment each other. With mirror image appearing to be on the GCD now, is this still wise? Actually, was it even wise in the first place?
Last edited by Shuemue : 04/16/09 at 3:10 PM.
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04/16/09, 8:04 PM
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#1499
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by ash2ash
You can also wait til they are nearly in melee range then blink thru them and run them back to the tanks while screaming for them to get them off you in vent. If you run past the tanks and they're still on you you can frost nova them and they'll hopefully be frozen in melee range of the tanks. However, this also has the potential to gib your melee dps so use with caution.
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You have approximately 2 yards to do this so you don't get hit. Lag is significant in every raid instance I've ever been in, and timing a running mob down to a 2 yard interval just isn't in the cards for me.
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04/16/09, 11:10 PM
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#1500
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Von Kaiser
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I noticed when I didn't update Class timers for the new patch, I was able to see other mages Living Bomb's tick down. Though quite annoying and I promptly downloaded the new version to fix the problem, I was wondering if there was a way to use class timers to show a warlocks improved shadow bolt debuff, this way if it drops off, I can take over for him and apply scorch (according to the warlock in my raid, he stops casting shadow bolts at 25%, either out of ignorance, or its just better)
Sorry if this is the wrong place to be asking this.
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