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Old 01/27/09, 2:52 PM   #901
Aeldaar
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by manly View Post
Oh please. Show some proof before posting this kind of stuff.
I'll put a screenshot up later tonight, but I've noticed everything from training dummies to bosses partial resisting arcane.

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Old 01/27/09, 3:18 PM   #902
epoh
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Human Mage
 
Kargath
Originally Posted by Socklop View Post
I just respecced arcane, and notice a large number of partial resists on Malygos (looks like 10%-20% mostly from glancing at combat log). I'm trying to figure out the dps value of CoE for an arcane mage. Does anyone have a calculated value for his arcane resist, or a way I could find said value?
Malygos has always partially resist magic dmg (probably melee as well, for all I know.) If you suddenly saw higher numbers perhaps you just had an off night? It should not be any higher as arcane than any other spec. Unless they adjusted Maly during the patch/hotfix.

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Old 01/27/09, 6:12 PM   #903
Socklop
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Greymane
Originally Posted by manly View Post
Oh please. Show some proof before posting this kind of stuff.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that a few glances at a combat log constitutes any kind of evidence. It could have been RNG with the level-based resist, or maybe there was no hit debuff on the boss at that time. Actually it's pretty much the same as I'm seeing on the training dummy now, so I should have checked that first.

I'm still curious if any bosses have arcane/fire/frost resist which might be worth using CoE, even if the DK or boomkin buff is already present.

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Old 01/28/09, 3:41 AM   #904
daSnail
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Genjuros (EU)
How is the armor of Ice Armor calculated while using 2/2 Frost Warding and Glyph of Ice Armor? Also, are raidbosses/dungeon bosses affected by the chill effect of Ice Armor?

Last edited by daSnail : 01/28/09 at 5:14 AM.

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Old 01/28/09, 5:09 AM   #905
dmxcom
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Human Mage
 
Arthas (EU)
Wy i am doesnt see here an xtra Area for 18/53/0 ?
Or is this Specc not valuable against FFB and Deep Arcane ?
As far as i see Manly playing this Specc. Are there any Numbers or WWS for this ?

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Old 01/28/09, 5:57 AM   #906
Bedrayne
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Cenarius
The EJ forum community tends to focus on what is the bleeding edge build. Right now it is 57/3/11 Arcane if you have the raid support. The FFB build is still lively as many people were FFB and it is still light years easier on mana than either Arc or Fire/Arc. There are a few posts around about the FB build, but right now it isn't as mana efficient as FFB nor does it have the DPS of Arcane, though it is slightly more DPS than FFB and a bit less DPM than Arcane. Right now that just doesn't justify many people taking it, though in a multi mage setup with mana support for Arcane I would reccomend the FB over FFB to bring the scorch debuff if you have enough +hit around to support losing all hit talents.

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Old 01/28/09, 6:26 AM   #907
Xmasman
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Blood Elf Mage
 
Zuluhed (EU)
Originally Posted by Bedrayne View Post
The EJ forum community tends to focus on what is the bleeding edge build. Right now it is 57/3/11 Arcane if you have the raid support. The FFB build is still lively as many people were FFB and it is still light years easier on mana than either Arc or Fire/Arc. There are a few posts around about the FB build, but right now it isn't as mana efficient as FFB nor does it have the DPS of Arcane, though it is slightly more DPS than FFB and a bit less DPM than Arcane. Right now that just doesn't justify many people taking it, though in a multi mage setup with mana support for Arcane I would reccomend the FB over FFB to bring the scorch debuff if you have enough +hit around to support losing all hit talents.
Thx so far for this information. But as you said FB is after arcane the best dps build and therefore it might be interesting to see some statistics for crit modifier and the gear solutions to get 17% hit with no talents.
In my guild are 3 mages and we need of course 1 mage for scourge and it is perhaps more efficient to skill deep fire instead of the 51-20-0. Also the last patch informations show that arcane will be little weaker now.

Is it allowed to create such a thread in the mage subforum?

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Old 01/28/09, 7:01 AM   #908
Tyrian
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Frostmourne
The 'best' dps build, for many people, is simply your personal preference between the three frontrunning specs. The differences are relatively small enough such that player skill / gear / latency can be more influential factors than the spec itself. This does not apply to everyone, but for a great deal of players.

Bedrayne eloquently mentioned what the 'best' spec is currently from an EJ standpoint. However for many players, the best spec is simply a choice between Arcane / Fireball / FFB - with all being an acceptable choice.

Last edited by Tyrian : 01/28/09 at 7:06 AM.

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Old 01/28/09, 7:51 AM   #909
Maje
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Gnome Mage
 
Naxxramas (EU)
Acording to rawr (modeled with my gear):

FFB: 0 baseline
Arcane+scorch: 0
Fireball: +0.5%
Arcane: +7%

1. The gear was baselined on FFB ie. I didn't regem for fireball/arcane, I did change gear to be hitcapped and swapped a piece for arcane.
2. Focus Magic buff the one you give to someone else isn't included in fireball or arcane, assuming 2 fireball mages then fire gains around 3% more dps due to circular FM-ing.
3. Arcane doesn't include the shatter combo as it was hotfixed, and the glyph is 3% (post hotfix).
4. Rune of Razorice is enabled.
5. Rawr build used is 30730, one thing I'm uncerain of is if it models AM as gaining the buff or not, in either case Arcane number can be considered as equal or lower then the correct one.

Last edited by Maje : 01/28/09 at 7:59 AM.

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Old 01/28/09, 10:32 AM   #910
Guintof
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Gnome Mage
 
Hellfire (EU)
Can anyone tell me if it is possible to see how many times a player has cast living bomb on a boss and how many times that living bomb has exploded on a WWS report?

As a class leader I'd like to know if a player is not waiting for living bomb to explode but rather keep refreshing it before it explodes but I am uncertain as to how to do that as WWS only shows one living bomb under the spells used in a certain boss.

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Old 01/28/09, 10:51 AM   #911
Grai
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Maelstrom
Originally Posted by Guintof View Post
Can anyone tell me if it is possible to see how many times a player has cast living bomb on a boss and how many times that living bomb has exploded on a WWS report?

As a class leader I'd like to know if a player is not waiting for living bomb to explode but rather keep refreshing it before it explodes but I am uncertain as to how to do that as WWS only shows one living bomb under the spells used in a certain boss.
Click on the living bomb damage. Landed/crits means that it is exploding. Dot is the Dot damage.

Also, you do want living bomb to explode, then refresh it right after. This is for extra damage, hot streak procs if it crits, and enough other reasons to make me wonder why you would think otherwise. Always let bomb go boom before reapplying is a good general practice.

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Old 01/28/09, 11:31 AM   #912
Raencloud
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Gnome Mage
 
Stormrage
You can't "refresh" living bomb before it explodes unless you cast it on another target. It will tell you that a more powerful spell is already on the boss if you try to. If you are trying to check on this person's DPS however, the LB uptime is what you want to be looking for.

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Old 01/28/09, 12:49 PM   #913
Enthorn
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Dunemaul
I don't believe the "more powerful spell" message always applies, for the same reasons that you can try to override mana shield or ice barrier with a new cast and see the same message, and at other times you can't. I believe it has something to do with the the coefficient that is used for the spells. Regardless of whether that's the reason, it isn't a guarantee that you will be unable to refresh living bomb 100% of the time. It shouldn't even be an issue though. Scorchio2 provides an excellent tracking display for Scorch and Living Bomb uptimes.

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Old 01/28/09, 1:58 PM   #914
 nathanbp
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Gnome Mage
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by Enthorn View Post
I don't believe the "more powerful spell" message always applies, for the same reasons that you can try to override mana shield or ice barrier with a new cast and see the same message, and at other times you can't. I believe it has something to do with the the coefficient that is used for the spells. Regardless of whether that's the reason, it isn't a guarantee that you will be unable to refresh living bomb 100% of the time. It shouldn't even be an issue though. Scorchio2 provides an excellent tracking display for Scorch and Living Bomb uptimes.
I'm pretty sure that while that is normally the case, you cannot re-apply Living Bomb to a target no matter how your spell power changes (and the more powerful spell message was just the easiest way for Blizzard to code it). If someone would like to perform a test (put LB on target dummy, use [Potion of Wild Magic] or trinkets/mana gem to increase spellpower, and try to reapply) and prove me wrong, go ahead.

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Old 01/28/09, 2:48 PM   #915
Raencloud
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Mage
 
Stormrage
I have never encountered a time where I could reapply LB on my target before it exploded, regardless or procs, trinkets, or buffs. Sometimes I wish I could have, like when I applied it on Maexxna and couldn't sync it with the spider spawns. Nevertheless, I was never able to "refresh" my LB.

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