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01/23/09, 1:34 PM
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#751
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Glass Joe
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My latest parse from Patchwerk, this was also before I picked up Gothik's Helm, also missing a Elemental Shaman for raid buffs, they seem so hard to find. I see that i only had 1 combustion, should have been able to squeeze 2 in there, and my weak point is keeping Living Bomb up as much as possible, just wondering if some of the guys on here could give me a few tips/thoughts, I'd love to push past that 5k mark on this fight.
Also, I currently run my "Boom" macro in this order, Combustion, IV, Mirror Image, FFB, if I wanted to add a Speed Potion and my Mana Gem in there as well is there a optimal order to include all those items?
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01/23/09, 3:03 PM
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#752
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Don Flamenco
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Speed potion probably shouldn't be in a general purpose macro like that, unless you never fire it until you're in the molten fury range. It's very short duration and once/combat. Me, I like to see how the combat is going manawise before pulling the trigger on the speed potion. As the fight is in execute phase, I can judge whether my mana will hold out or needs a pot, and if it doesn't need a pot, I'm free to toss a haste potion on the fire.
The order in the macro normally doesn't matter, it's supposed to execute everything simultaneously, ending with the first thing in the macro that causes a gcd.
I don't like mirror image as part of a generic boom macro, I feel it is too useful as a threat tool to waste as a tiny dps enhancer. There are differences of opinion on that point *shrug*.
Note that combustion and icy veins have different cooldowns, so they'll only stack the first time you fire that macro. You might also consider stancking in any clicky-stuff you have on your gear (eg, /use 13 /use 14 for your two trinket slots, /use 10 if you have hyperspeed accellerators on gloves etc). Trinkets can't be used simultaneously but if you are tying this to your main frostbolt key, they'll fire "whenever they're up" and will stack the first time you use them.
One thing your'e not stacking is your mana gem (assuming you have 2T7 bonus). I've been having enough mana to pop that and other cooldowns with my first frostbolt (after living bomb/scorch take a bit of mana away and allow firing the gem) and still get it to fire a second time in execute phase on most boss fights. I have not got mana gem and mirror image to work in the same macro though, so you may have to separate that out.
You're correct that your living bomb uptime is lacking. You had only 3 hits in 4 minutes, so it's only up 1/8 of the time. Scorchio 2 will help with that, as would other mods that track dots.
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01/23/09, 5:22 PM
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#753
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Piston Honda
Human Warlock
Emerald Dream
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Originally Posted by Faceprint
but it doesnt make sence.
Also, it seems to me your formula is flawed, unless im doing it wrong which i dont see how.
i plug in my numbers into the haste formula, and get ~9k... which is so wrong...
I ((1+0.1)/(780/(0.86+1945))3278.998947 = 8898.1028... im sure 1 haste =/= 9k spell power.
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I can see you've already been banned for bad math, but in case someone else is making the same mistake
m/r + d is NOT the same as m/(r+d). m/r + d using your numbers is 2851.9767. m/(r+d) is about .400851
Dividing by .4 instead of 2852, you expect to get bad numbers. You're not allowed to just add parentheses wherever you like. Like gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.
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01/23/09, 5:43 PM
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#754
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Soda Popinski
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Originally Posted by Reeshet
I can see you've already been banned for bad math, but in case someone else is making the same mistake
m/r + d is NOT the same as m/(r+d). m/r + d using your numbers is 2851.9767. m/(r+d) is about .400851
Dividing by .4 instead of 2852, you expect to get bad numbers. You're not allowed to just add parentheses wherever you like. Like gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.
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Aw, just when I thought I had found a loophole that made 2 crit rating worth 3000 spell damage !
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<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff
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01/26/09, 3:49 AM
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#755
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Operation Asian
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Originally Posted by solbergb
Speed potion probably shouldn't be in a general purpose macro like that, unless you never fire it until you're in the molten fury range. It's very short duration and once/combat. Me, I like to see how the combat is going manawise before pulling the trigger on the speed potion. As the fight is in execute phase, I can judge whether my mana will hold out or needs a pot, and if it doesn't need a pot, I'm free to toss a haste potion on the fire.
The order in the macro normally doesn't matter, it's supposed to execute everything simultaneously, ending with the first thing in the macro that causes a gcd.
I don't like mirror image as part of a generic boom macro, I feel it is too useful as a threat tool to waste as a tiny dps enhancer. There are differences of opinion on that point *shrug*.
Note that combustion and icy veins have different cooldowns, so they'll only stack the first time you fire that macro. You might also consider stancking in any clicky-stuff you have on your gear (eg, /use 13 /use 14 for your two trinket slots, /use 10 if you have hyperspeed accellerators on gloves etc). Trinkets can't be used simultaneously but if you are tying this to your main frostbolt key, they'll fire "whenever they're up" and will stack the first time you use them.
One thing your'e not stacking is your mana gem (assuming you have 2T7 bonus). I've been having enough mana to pop that and other cooldowns with my first frostbolt (after living bomb/scorch take a bit of mana away and allow firing the gem) and still get it to fire a second time in execute phase on most boss fights. I have not got mana gem and mirror image to work in the same macro though, so you may have to separate that out.
You're correct that your living bomb uptime is lacking. You had only 3 hits in 4 minutes, so it's only up 1/8 of the time. Scorchio 2 will help with that, as would other mods that track dots.
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Mirror image is wierd because it triggers a GCD on spells that don't have a GCD (bug?) - try using MI with all your bars visible and you'll see that spells that normally show a refresh animation during a GCD will not refresh but all your spells off the GCD will (IV, combustion, combustion etc.) This is the opposite behavior of any normal spell that triggers a GCD (your normal spells will refresh but your spells off the GCD will not)
I usually have a separate key bound for MI, then have a macro that does IV, Combustion, Managem, /use 13, /use14 (trinkets), and then starts casting FFB. None of these trigger a GCD
I also have a separate macro that does the same thing except adds a speed pot which doesn't trigger a GCD either.
I have had instances where using these macros occasionally drops one of my cooldowns. I have no idea why this occurs.
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01/26/09, 8:11 AM
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#756
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Now with Karate Grip! (TM)
Orc Death Knight
Frostwhisper (EU)
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This is not the only reason to avoid having MI in a macro. Everything else will cool at a different rate (most likely a faster one) and while pushing your macro with Combustion still cooling (or speed pot, or managem, or whatever) it'll just ignore it and do the rest, if you push the macro with MI in it and it's cooling it'll not read past that point in the macro and you'll end up with an error message, half your cool-downs going off, and no casting.
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01/26/09, 5:54 PM
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#757
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Mage
Frostwhisper (EU)
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I use a simple macro really which contains all of these, but just relies on the secondary button press. This macro is brilliant because depending on what I need, I can use all at the same time, or split it and use them at different times. I usually will pop a haste pot just before going into combat assuming I trust my tank, otherwise I will just save it. I have never had this bug out with GCD or just general errors, ocassionally FFB won't cast because I am spamming with more than 1 modifier left held down. Even though I have this macro, I do have all trinkets and abilties bound to separate keys on my right hand just incase.
#showtooltip
/use [mod:shift] 13
/cast [mod:shift] Icy Veins
/cast [mod:shift] Combustion
/cast [mod:alt] Mana Sapphire
/cast [mod:ctrl] Mirror Image
/cast Frostfire Bolt
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01/26/09, 8:21 PM
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#758
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by ash2ash
Mirror image is wierd because it triggers a GCD on spells that don't have a GCD (bug?)
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Isn't this only true with certain spells? I remembered GCDs being triggered when I first tried to cast Combustion
with it (by clicking on one than the other >_>). Then I put it in the same macro with IV, and it worked fine. I think it was having IV in between MI and Combustion that did it for me, so I guess its a matter of putting something that doesn't bug MI out between it and other spells that does.
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01/27/09, 2:17 AM
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#759
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Glass Joe
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Relative values of stats
Where can I compare the relative values of haste/crit/hit/SP with my current stats? I'm not too great at crunching numbers, is there a site with a calculator? 
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01/27/09, 6:21 AM
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#760
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Mage
Archimonde
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Sorry if this was covered, I think I read something about it but I can't find it now. During a Lust/IV is it still optimal to be casting LB? Also does Lust or IV affect GCD haste at all?
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01/27/09, 6:21 AM
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#761
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Mage
Archimonde
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Originally Posted by druicifer
Where can I compare the relative values of haste/crit/hit/SP with my current stats? I'm not too great at crunching numbers, is there a site with a calculator? 
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Get Rawr or use www.magegraf.com
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01/27/09, 6:47 AM
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#762
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Tenspeed
Sorry if this was covered, I think I read something about it but I can't find it now. During a Lust/IV is it still optimal to be casting LB? Also does Lust or IV affect GCD haste at all?
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Yes and yes.
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01/27/09, 7:50 AM
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#763
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Now with Karate Grip! (TM)
Orc Death Knight
Frostwhisper (EU)
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LB is almost always DPS increase. The only debatable time to not cast it is when the mob is almost dead, where it's not clear if the mob will live long enough. Strictly, though, that's being quite a bit picky; imagine what locks have to deal with, who may have up to 6 DoTs to keep up.
The really a lot more relevant question, is should you use Hot Streak when hasted to below 1s. Personally, with bloodlust, of course, I prefer to use one HS pyro on the third charge of Combustion and ignore HS for the remaining IV duration until instants are back above 1s.
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01/27/09, 7:59 AM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Mage
Archimonde
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Originally Posted by Pintofbrew
LB is almost always DPS increase. The only debatable time to not cast it is when the mob is almost dead, where it's not clear if the mob will live long enough. Strictly, though, that's being quite a bit picky; imagine what locks have to deal with, who may have up to 6 DoTs to keep up.
The really a lot more relevant question, is should you use Hot Streak when hasted to below 1s. Personally, with bloodlust, of course, I prefer to use one HS pyro on the third charge of Combustion and ignore HS for the remaining IV duration until instants are back above 1s.
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Is there a mod that will show me what my current GCD is at numerically so this is easier to gauge?
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01/27/09, 9:30 AM
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#765
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Tenspeed
Is there a mod that will show me what my current GCD is at numerically so this is easier to gauge?
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Just look in your spellbook at any spell that normally has a 1.5 second cast time, like polymorph (and keep in mind 1 second is the minimum).
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01/27/09, 9:31 AM
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#766
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Great Tiger
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Originally Posted by Tenspeed
Is there a mod that will show me what my current GCD is at numerically so this is easier to gauge?
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If you use a mod like Quartz it will show you how long it is taking to cast your spells. Your GCD is the minimum of (1 second, half the the casting time of Frostfire Bolt).
Also, Theory Craft-o-Matic says that ignoring Hot Streak procs is a really bad idea, probably until Frostfire Bolt starts clipping the GCD at unattainable 200% haste.
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01/27/09, 1:24 PM
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#767
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Soda Popinski
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Originally Posted by Tenspeed
Sorry if this was covered, I think I read something about it but I can't find it now. During a Lust/IV is it still optimal to be casting LB? Also does Lust or IV affect GCD haste at all?
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Well, I used to not cast LB during lust+IV+haste potion because it was giving me 0.7s casts. However, now that LB can also proc HS, I just don't see any justification for it. Always cast LB.
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<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff
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01/27/09, 7:11 PM
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#768
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Glass Joe
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Am I doing something wrong in RAWR? It's showing 19/52/0 as being a little higher than 0/53/18 for me by about 100 DPS when I swap between specs and glyphs.
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01/27/09, 8:12 PM
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#769
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Don Flamenco
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No, that's probably correct, assuming that torment of the weak and arcane focus had near 100% uptime.
Arc/fire is a bit better than frostfire in single target dps with raid buffs and debuffs right now than frostfire. There just hasn't been as much buzz about it with the arcane boost
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01/28/09, 3:58 AM
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#770
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Glass Joe
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Did anyone notice a drop in Frostfire (0/53/18) DPS?
Perhaps i haven't checked in enough to notice - But it was so bad today, It forced me into Arcane.
Any input? Did i miss a stealth Nerf?
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01/28/09, 4:03 AM
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#771
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Soda Popinski
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Originally Posted by Keat
Did anyone notice a drop in Frostfire (0/53/18) DPS?
Perhaps i haven't checked in enough to notice - But it was so bad today, It forced me into Arcane.
Any input? Did i miss a stealth Nerf?
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I guess its a bad day to buy lottery tickets for you.
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<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff
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01/28/09, 4:13 AM
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Glass Joe
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Bah!
Guess it was just bad luck on HS procs
Non the less! Thanks for your response! 
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01/28/09, 4:35 AM
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#773
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Von Kaiser
Troll Priest
Vek'nilash (EU)
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If you are logging wws reports from your raids you could compare to get rid of the doubt :P
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01/28/09, 4:55 AM
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Glass Joe
Undead Mage
Frostwhisper (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kuosi
If you are logging wws reports from your raids you could compare to get rid of the doubt :P
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No point, FFB only acquired more DPS through LB proccing HS now. We all know how weird/lucky/unlucky/situational FFB's DPS is.
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01/28/09, 7:09 AM
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#775
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Don Flamenco
Undead Mage
Frostmane (EU)
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When I use magegraf and compare 18/53/0 with 0/53/18 the frostfire build gives a 1000dps advantage fully raidbuffed on a 4 minute fight. Just wondering what might be causing it since from what I've read a fireball spec with ttw up should be slightly outdmging a ffb spec.
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