Ferrador

Go and try this yourself. We have done this in early trys and noticed that they only get rootet for 3 times and stop beeing rooted. I think I remember one time on a wipe were I tried to frostnova them and it said "immun".
Oh and we had 3 Mages specc into frostbite and imp. blizzard to test this. Funnny thing that our critrate increased only marginal. Unfortunatly I have no data to back this up.

 

Arbitur

Just to be clear, you're talking about the Nerubian Burrowers, correct? If you're talking about the Swarm Scarabs, then sure, they become immune to various abilities while enraged.

Still, both you and Daytrader cannot be right about this; either one of you is mistaken, or diminishing returns on roots were removed since you first tried (unlikely). Daytrader also used an FFB shatter spec and reports a noticeable dps increase. However, WMO doesn't track frostbite procs apparently, so I can't be sure just by looking at the parse he provided.

 

Daytrader

I can confirm the Fiery Payback bug, where the CD on Pyro remains even if your respec. I remember picking it up while learning HM General and when I respeced for Yogg Pyro still had a 6s CD.

As far as DR on the adds, hey, he might be right. TBH I'm not sure, its not something I usually spec into. We cleared both normal and heroic 25m last night, so I'll have to wait for next week to try it myself. I suggest the best time to see if this is true is right after the boss burrows while the 2nd set of adds is still up. By that time if there is DR on Frostbite it should be in effect. Check to see if blizzard freezes them at all during that point.

Either way, using Frostbite, imp. Blizz, and Shatter is still a DPS increase if your job is to aoe the adds. Its just not as big if they are affected by DR. I do not see any better place to spend your talents for this particular fight that would benefit your DPS.

 

Arbitur

Just to follow up on the issue regarding diminishing returns on root effects: Two other mages and I ran a FFB-shatter spec last night for 25H Anub, and I noticed no more than three frostbite procs per wave of adds between the three of us. Therefore, diminishing returns does indeed apply to root effects.

Frostbite also proved a little problematic a couple of times. We use one tank for all four adds, and there were instances where he would need to adjust his position slightly. We had a rogue die because frostbite procced while the tank was slightly out of range, causing the add to attack the nearest target with the most threat. The dps increase FFB-shatter provides seems pretty insignificant and surely not worth endangering the lives of those in melee range.

 

Hidden

Just to confirm it, I told another Mage to nova the Anub25Normal adds yesterday and nova'd them myself afterwards. Not only did the debuff time clearly show diminishing returns but it also broke after half a second - probably to raid damage on the add exceeding the threshold.

 

Aubergenne

You can find my stats on WoW Armory:
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I'm recently dinged 80 and working on leveling up my gear. I've got a few things so far from Naxx and Ulduar and PvP. I know some of my gear isn't ideal at this point, but that's what I"m geting at. What stats am I looking to get to?

What is the hit rating my goal is for? I'm a Draeni FFB, I'm trying to figure out what I'm looking at on the stat screen. Do I need to get my crit chance up? Can someone say definitively what my stats need to be that screen so that I know what I'm aiming for?

Thanks to everyone!

 

Schmitec

Hi all, got a question about anub'arak 25 HC
How do you target nerubian burrowers as a mage while applying Living bomb?
I have a problem to apply quickly living bomb on each of them, blizzard is easy but reapply of living bomb is pain for me. I feel that I loose a lot of time in this phase using tab for targeting than turn my char to the other side and target using tab again... not speaking about manual select of mob.

Don't you know about any useful macro or anything that would help?

Thanks for any advise

 

Arbitur

That's the one I use. Make sure to zoom all the way out, and use the script to increase the maximum camera distance. I find it helpful.

Also, I wouldn't refresh LB on the adds. They die too quickly to explode a second time, at least in my experience.

 

medloh

I was just using this LB macro when I was FFB for Heroic Anub:

/targetenemy
/cast Living Bomb

I tried to face the adds as best I could as I used this. Seemed to be a little faster and more reliable for me to cycle through the targets like this rather than using some kind of mouse over LB macro.

But, I've recently switched to an arcane blizzard spec for it, and I'm doing a little higher overall dmg, and definately more dmg to Anub to help getting to P3. Probably depends on how much AOE dmg your raid can do whether you want to go FFB for a little higher AOE dmg, or Arc Blizz for a little higher Anub dmg.

 

Isomalt

We downed Anub HM 25 with two mages, 1 as arcane, and 1 as FFB.

FFB Kill attempt:
DPS:10024
Damage Done:4456602 (Anub:1893730 Burrowers:2394115)
Spell Counts:
Blizzard:26
FlameStrike: 6 (rank9) 3(rank8)
Living Bomb:40
Blastwave (glyphed):5

Arcane Kill Attempt:
DPS:8768
Damage Done:3624296 (Anub:2512792 Burrowers:991943)
Spell Count:
Blizzard:18
FlameStrike:9 (4PoM'd)

Like you said, it all depends on what the raid needs. We found that we had enough AoE and had one of our mages go to Arcane. Also the FFB AoE rotation you use is fairly important as well. Once we had each phase down reliably, I was able to setup a fairly good rotation for each wave of adds/phase. I can post it if anyone is interested.

(I would've posted WoL, but our guild keeps them private.)

Edit: Added spell count details.

 

Maje

The DPS difference isn't that big in terms of Anub'arak's damage, fact is I'd bet the FFB mage spent a lot more time blizzarding then single target.

In my opinion, fire/ttw or ffb spec is better for this fight overall since you'll do comparable dps to Anub'arak if you focus on single target and help the raid more by AOEing the adds. In terms of tradeoffs (unless you're usually going with some unreasonable number of unholy DKs) mages are better serving the raid by AOEing since our AOE on this fight is better then most classes.

 

MalaclypseTY

When we first started working on Anub Hard mode for 10 man I messed around quite a bit with Rawr and did my best to model 30% based on what we were seeing from our attempts. For ttw/fb I found that the dps was almost exactly equal for single target for a one minute fight (about the time we were taking to get him from 30% to dead). Since that is the most critical part it was a no brainer for me to go fire and provide scorch to the other 2-3 casters depending on who we had on. I didn't model for FFB since my guild doesn't have the people to get far into 25 man hard modes but I bet the single target for FFB in 30% range isn't that much worse than arcane either due to molten fury.

 

◊ manly

Posting very late, but I thought a few players could use this trick of my own.

I use one of the somewhat common LB on mouseover macro. However, when targetting one mob specifically i will intentionally right-click and hold it down so that the mouseover option gets disabled and instead casts LB on my target. This is especially usefull if I need to refresh LB on anub alone and not on the adds (since theyll die too soon for example), I can target anub, and not have to try and mouseover it and possibly cast LB on the wrong target. Its also usefull on yogg, since mouseover macros tends to love targetting the immune yogg/sarah if you have a very far out perspective. Instead I just use target-LB almost exclusively for the fight while still using my mouseover lb macro.

Log on with different model:
1- Create a character of the desired model. Log on/off.
2- At character selection screen, select your actual character; mouseover the new, desired model character, and hold down left click; hit enter and release left click at the same time.
bug Arcane Potency only applies to the first Arcane Missile bolt.

 

ash2ash

I'll share my tips since this is a fight I've had to put a lot of thought into. These tips are pretty much specifically for 25 Hardmode:

I use targeted LB as well since it's very easy to misjudge the GCD and fail an application on one of the burrowers; and once they are in the kill zone it's virtually impossible to get in a LB without taking a dps hit - maybe if you're quick to cycle through targets while you're casting blizzard. I also forgo RE-applying it on anub since there's a high likelihood that the mobs will be dead before a second one gets a chance to explode (unless the first one went off right as/soon after the mobs reached the kill zone).

Also, to ensure maximum damage on anub through the AoE phases, I rescorch him right as the burrowers spawn. That usually ensures enough debuff time for the burrowers to be dead before switching back to single target, thereby maximizing the AoE phase damage on Anub himself.

Finally, due to the nature of the fight, this is a really good encounter to consider glyphing scorch vice frostfire: Depending on the number of casters, the effect of quickly being able to apply a debuff would most likely be a net raid dps gain, especially since much of the fight involves switching from single target -> AoE -> underground phases. Personally, I also had timing issues where if I applied five stacks of scorch, the living bomb I cast tended to explode right as the first set of burrowers got in range to be clipped by it, and I risked pulling initial aggro.

Ghostcrawler - "I'm the asshole that nerfed your class" - Blizzcon 2009

 

Asgor

Wouldn't it be much easier to use a Living Bomb macro in which the mouseover application is explicitly turned on by a modifier key (e.g. "/cast [target=mouseover,modifier:shift,exists] Living Bomb; Living Bomb")? Then you wouldn't have to constantly worry where your mouse cursor is or always click and hold the right mouse button when you want to apply LB regularly.

 

◊ manly

That would indeed work as well, although I am fairly used to hold right-click down for normal play anyway, only needing to release it when I need specifically mouseover functionality for LB spamming.

Log on with different model:
1- Create a character of the desired model. Log on/off.
2- At character selection screen, select your actual character; mouseover the new, desired model character, and hold down left click; hit enter and release left click at the same time.
bug Arcane Potency only applies to the first Arcane Missile bolt.

 

gnougat

I do exactly the same thing. Do this for scorch also for when I need to keep imp scorch up on more than one target. Also, I use tiptac (any other tooltip addon would work I guess, I just like this one) and set it up to show debuffs on my mouseover unit cast only by myself so I can easily see which targets I've already put LB up on.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/613...0109033619.jpg
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• Praanz

Some people like to use modifiers like shift/alt to switch between mouseover or not and there's the right-click option. Personally I like to just mouse-over my target-frame when I'm in doubt if I'll actually hit the right target or not, I figured I didn't really need a modifier if I played it like that.

I'm doing it often in this Anub kill (Anub'Arak (25 Hc Tribute to Skill) vs Immersion @ EU-Al'Akir By Praanz - World of Warcraft Movies) it's also pretty visual on how smooth mouse-over'ing works too so I guess it's worthwile to watch for someone considering trying.

Raiding is full of challenge. Sometimes there is fire.

You have not to move out of the fire, it will be nerfed soon.

 

SebasM

Could you please share your macro Praanz as it seems it's working perfectly. Cheers.

 

• Praanz

It's been posted several times and here goes again:

I use my MWHEELDOWN to bind it, brain synch's nicely moving and triggering with the brain.

Raiding is full of challenge. Sometimes there is fire.

You have not to move out of the fire, it will be nerfed soon.

 

Aramezzet

This seems haphazard to me. You need to know what's under your mouse cursor all the time and move it away from other targets (or keep your cursor over your current target). I'd suggest adding modifier clauses. This is the macro I recommend:
This will be far easier to control. Mouse-over targeting in this game is very goofy and you need to be able to work around it as quickly as possible if it's screwing with you.

 

dr0nzer

If you don't use nameplates then I agree, but with them enabled it's much easier to know what target you've "moused over" and makes applying LB much easier.

 

Arlie

If you could post your rotation that would be appreciated. I always feel like I'm lacking on Anub, somehow that fight makes me screw up more than I ever have in this game, I feel like my rotation is never quite smooth or efficient enough, even though we got 25man Insanity, I still feel like I have a great deal of room for improvement.

I am FFB/Blizzard spec for Anub. I turn on V bars for the adds to make them easier to target, I have my camera zoomed all the way out, but I'm not really able to LB them before they get to our camp, because aggro becomes an issue, even though we have 4 rogues and 2 hunters for MD/Tricks.

 

Slandebande

I've not found lb'ing the adds as they run towards to be an aggro problem. The dot is minimal and should be less threat than the MD/first aggro move from the tank. Only aggro problem I've had has been beginning blizz too early combined with the early explosions, but a little timing / mirror image usage usually solves it for me

 

Arlie

I agree that it SHOULDN'T be an issue, but for us, it is.
I'm not really sure what our tanks can do to fix it, but I guess that doesn't really have a place in the mage thread.

Isomalt, did you notice a big dps difference tossing in flamestrikes? Do you cast rank 9, then rank 8, then blizzard, and repeat?

Also, since you have Blastwave glyphed, what glyph are you dropping for that? I have to Scorch Anub, would Blastwaves make up the dps loss of losing one of my other glyphs, or should I just drop Scorch glyph and cast it 5 times?