Rawr.Mage - Page 110

Turwok · 12/21/11, 6:50 AM

I have noticed a jump in combustion damage from ~200k to ~216k when changing from 1340 to 1360 haste rating (replacing a 20int/20crit gem with a 20int/20haste one).

Sorry, I will visit the site to get this along.

Magiamid · 12/24/11, 8:47 PM

hey Kavan!!

can u please add a new Realm to Rawr?
it's the new server called Azralon (US).

i can't load my char 'cause this realm doesn't exist on Rawr.

thanks in advance

peace.

Hinalover · 12/25/11, 2:00 AM

Originally Posted by Magiamid

hey Kavan!!

can u please add a new Realm to Rawr?
it's the new server called Azralon (US).

i can't load my char 'cause this realm doesn't exist on Rawr.

thanks in advance

peace.

I added the server the other day to the source code. It should be available for the next release.

charred · 01/06/12, 9:28 AM

Does rawr currently account for the devaluation of haste when going over the global cap during lust or when titahk procs?
With some of newly recomended hastecaps that go very high, this is an issue that mightve been overlooked?

Kavan · 01/06/12, 5:44 PM

That's taken into account by default (unless you disabled cycle level haste procs, in which case it's still taken into account, just the exact threshold might be a bit inaccurate).

And while hitting the gcd in those conditions would be a soft cap, most of the recommended points are not caps in any sense, but breakpoints or discontinuities. A typical relation between crit and haste looks something like this (not based on any actual data).

charred · 01/07/12, 5:10 PM

Hmm, any idea why Rawr keeps showing Opal is better than Flowform HC w 50int gem init? Seems kinda obvious to me that Flowform is far better than opal.
Kinda having a hard time believing DMCV is superior to Necromanatic focus HC aswell. It's an amazing trinket, but doubt it beats necromantic focus.
Can't see why a potent gem would be better than 50int in Seal of the architect either

Kavan · 01/07/12, 5:42 PM

I'm afraid you'll need to provide some reasoning behind this. Handwaving and obviousness isn't exactly a good argument why something should be one way or another.

One possibility why you might be having problems is if you're relying on the charts exclusively. The gear charts show value of directly replacing one piece of loot without modifying anything else. For example that neck has hit on it that the choker does not, so if you do not modify your other gear around to compensate for this the opal is indeed better. If you use the evaluate upgrade option (which will consider tweaking other gear also) you'll see that the choker is indeed better.

charred · 01/07/12, 7:01 PM

Originally Posted by Kavan

I'm afraid you'll need to provide some reasoning behind this. Handwaving and obviousness isn't exactly a good argument why something should be one way or another.

One possibility why you might be having problems is if you're relying on the charts exclusively. The gear charts show value of directly replacing one piece of loot without modifying anything else. For example that neck has hit on it that the choker does not, so if you do not modify your other gear around to compensate for this the opal is indeed better. If you use the evaluate upgrade option (which will consider tweaking other gear also) you'll see that the choker is indeed better.

I already did evualate & it still doesn't show Flowform as the better item. Can it be some setting that's not set correctly? I havn't really touched much though, pretty much the DL version.
Flowform HC w 50int init equals 316intellect 163haste & 133 mastery.
Opal equals 271int 141 hit & 203 haste
Aka Flowform equals +45int +133mastery -40haste -141hit. Also seems like an easy pick.

As for the gem in the ring, 15int vs 25crit seems kinda of a nobrain choice to me. Out of the 3 issues I'm talking about, this is by far the most obvious one I'd say.

DMCV vs Necro Focus. I realize DMCV was an awesome trinket, but statisticly HC Necromantic outweighs DMCV.
I thought maby due to 4PT13 that DMCV became better again than HC NF, but had the same when I equipped my old T12 gearset again.

Kavan · 01/07/12, 7:38 PM

Well I'm not sure what you're doing either, but you can't look at stat values in a vacuum all the time. If I load your character, with Opal it optimizes to 40788 dps and Choker with epic gem comes to 40792 dps.

The gem thing I'm not sure why it is a nobrain choice. If you look at stat values you have 4.76 for int and 3.02 for crit. By my math that is 71.4 dps for 15 int and 75.5 dps for 25 crit.

Regarding trinkets, DMCV is actually a bit stronger than in current live version, because it's using 1.5x crit multiplier instead of 2x. Also you can reforge mastery on DMCV while mastery proc on Necro you can't change. You'll need to explain a bit more about how you found that Necro is statistically better. We need to see the data.

charred · 01/08/12, 8:26 AM

Originally Posted by Kavan

Well I'm not sure what you're doing either, but you can't look at stat values in a vacuum all the time. If I load your character, with Opal it optimizes to 40788 dps and Choker with epic gem comes to 40792 dps.

The gem thing I'm not sure why it is a nobrain choice. If you look at stat values you have 4.76 for int and 3.02 for crit. By my math that is 71.4 dps for 15 int and 75.5 dps for 25 crit.

Regarding trinkets, DMCV is actually a bit stronger than in current live version, because it's using 1.5x crit multiplier instead of 2x. Also you can reforge mastery on DMCV while mastery proc on Necro you can't change. You'll need to explain a bit more about how you found that Necro is statistically better. We need to see the data.

First of all, thanks for the thorough replies. I really appreciate it & this been really useful to me.

The Opal/Choker gives me the almost the same total dps result. Optimized I get 40668,99 for the opal, 40668,9 for flowform. That was only a quick optimization though. Doing a full one as we speak.

The gem thing was a mistake on my side I found out now. I didn't run my SimC at 10000+ itterations & (as expected I guess) the statvalues we're kinda off.
I ran it at 50k itterations now & now it indeed shows for me that the oj gems are better. (still diff scale factors though 4.6962for int & 2.8386 for crit)

As for DMCV. Do you meant he Live version is currently bugged & does more dmg than intended? Or that SimC's version is bugged and because of that it shows DMCV above Necro Focus. For some reason the DMCV isn't plotted into any reforges either.

One last thing I'm gonna annoy you with, Dragonfire Orb isn't included in this release? I read on the website that it got fixed, but as OH it still only shows my ruthless glad one.

Kavan · 01/08/12, 9:25 AM

Regarding DMCV I meant that rawr is currently showing too low value with 1.5x multiplier instead of 2.0x. The same problem was in simc, but it's already fixed there.

For the off-hand open the filters, go to filters by item type and make sure off-hand/misc is checked. If there is some specific way in which loading a character makes that disabled let me know because it's possible that it's bugged.

Spacedonkey · 02/20/12, 5:34 AM

Rawr is currently telling me 397 VPLC as being higher than 390 WoU for fire and higher than even 403 WoU for arcane. I'm almost certain this is wrong. Do I have something set wrong or is Rawr not accounting for the stacking int properly?

Kavan · 02/20/12, 4:16 PM

I don't see what is wrong with that. For my character in arcane I see 403 WoU about the same as 397 VPLC (WoU about 100 dps higher). Do you have any evidence to support your hunch that this might be wrong?

Spacedonkey · 02/20/12, 5:18 PM

My relative stat values shows int being the highest at 4.88 for fire (next highest stat is SP at 3.54). 390 WoU fully stacked puts it at 780 int which is 322 int over 397 VPLC. Then in arcane, int is 5.66 with SP at 3.27. Rawr puts 397 VPLC above 403 WoU even with a 422 int deficit. I wouldn't think the damage proc from VPLC could make up that big of an int difference. It just seems odd that the spec which values int higher would show VPLC making up for a larger deficit.

Kavan · 02/20/12, 9:50 PM

All I can say is that comparing damage distribution in Rawr with WoL logs the VPLC indeed does as much damage from the damage proc as Rawr is suggesting.