We're in the middle of implementing a new proc/use model, things may be screwy with them. We're working on it.

Only on use effects are explicitly modeled for stacking purposes and activation. Proc effects are averaged and do not show in sequence reconstruction. In general anything with a cooldown of 1 minute or less is not well suited for explicit modeling for the framework used in Rawr.Mage.

The current implementation of proc effect averaging is per spell, so it is an approximation at best. I have in plan somewhere along the line to convert averaging to per cycle which should give better approximations, but I'm afraid I'll have to leave explicit stacking to Simulationcraft unless someone comes up with some very clever solution to the modeling problem.

Kavan, do you have any ETA on when the T8 set bonuses will be modeled into Rawr?

Also, with regards to engineering, in the latest version the Hyperspeed Accelerators were showing up as 0 DPS (bug?) and the new/updated engineering cloak and boot enchants have not been included yet.

Wowhead: Kavan is probably holding off until we verify the internal cooldown and procrate. But I suppose modeling a worst-case 60s cooldown and 10% procrate would be better than nothing at all. Now, the 4P bonus is a different beast entirely...

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Am I missing a 3.1 enabler in the newest version? I have the 3.1 items, but the talents appear to still be 3.0.

For some reason when I optimise I keep getting the Sunfire weapon enchant as being better than the Mighty Spellpower which clearly isn't correct.

Ive never been able to get optimizer to work correctly for me either, Ive just decided Im doing something incorrectly and just do it piece by piece, by hand.

I consistently get lower overall ratings returned than I started with.

Are there any additional files you need to delete before you use the new Rawr (2.2.0.7)? Downloaded 2.2.0.7 and when I start Rawr up it says 2.2.0.7. However, all the items are still pre 3.1. I have pressed the "Use ptrdata" but nothing happens. Anything special that needs to be done? Couldn't find a solution on Rawrs own page unfortunately.

Edit: Nvm it just showed all Ulduarloot as crap compared to Naxxramas. Any idea how to fix that?

Have you enabled both enchants and gear as being available for the optimizer?

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Hi all,

I have been using Rawr for quiet some time, boy am I greatful.

Lurking around these boards, and checking some armories, it seems FFB may be back. Ie I look at Maly and a few others. I used to play FFB then went Arcane and I stayed with it even after it got nerfed.

Assuming the theory is saying its back, when I am using Rawr, it is showing a drop of almost 400 dps. Although changing up the hit gems, it still never makes up that much of a difference.

I know my gear is more haste based, but I don't think much would change - maybee a few but I can't see anything making that much of a difference.

I am concerned that I am missing something in Rawr. Can anyone think of anything?

I am trying to figue out whether to change spec for Uldar, or is it more of a long term play?

Edit: Figured it out, putting the answer here in case anyone has similar results. It was the Improved Shadow Bolt Buff...going from no crit buff to the critt buff benefits FFB WAY more than Arcane. Turning it on for both ended up with anticipated results. (decided to post answer in case it helps someone else, otherwise feel free to delete this to save on board space - I don't see a delet button.)

Could we possibly get some preliminary Rawr numbers for Arcane on Spark of Hope, both pre- and post- manacost modifiers? :-)

I would say likely not all that good.

100 Spirit is going to amount to 55 Crit rating, 29 points worse than Sundial, with a benefit that while it seems "ok" it seems really designed for someone who is NOT chaincasting, and cant get some O5SR benefit from the 100 Spirit

Are the Tier 8 set bonuses just not modeled yet in Rawr? At the moment, trading all of my T7.25 gear for T8.25 results in a net DPS downgrade which doesn't sound right.

The idea was that it might reduce manacost additively with Arcane Blast casts.

I just got this trinket. and it does reduce cost of ab before x7 multiplier from ab stacks (at least in the spell tooltip). waiting for rawr to model it

Assuming an average casting speed of 1.375x, i.e. an average AB3AM cast time of ~8sec incl. MB, the 42 mana reduction should translate to 5*(42*10)/8 = ~260 mp5. For me -- taking big handwavy shortcuts here -- Rawr values [100spi + 260mp5] to be about equal to [145 sp]. In short, I don't expect this trinket to be groundbreaking (even considering ABspam3MBAM, which I can't calculate off hand). But we'll know when/if Kavan models it.

Can you tell if it is reduced at base cost before talents or after talents?

For now I added a model after talents, it's not very good, slightly below Naxx level trinkets.

I got 2 points in arcane focus and 3 in precision. the base cost of ab with trinket is 208. so i guess it is reduced before talents. (261-42)*0.97*0.98 = ~208. with 3ab stacks cost is 1456 = 208x7

The proc for [Elemental Focus Stone] is not modeled. Using the latest Rawr 2.2.0.9

Edit: Also I was just checking out the spell in wowhead and the item says spell power, but the proc is defined as spell haste. Alacrity of the Elements - Spell - World of Warcraft Just confirmed in game that it is definitely haste as well.

I was lucky enough to get 2 pieces of T8 this week (one from Emalon) and did some testing with the proc on the test dummies for about 15 minutes. I got procs ranging from 49 to 57 sec. a part so a 45 sec. internal cool down seems likely and the 25% proc chance seems accurate as well.