Rawr.Mage - Page 35

Kavan · 10/08/09, 6:44 PM

Originally Posted by SA-Menne

in the hope of not getting a warning for this post as well ...

thanks a lot kavan for the cooldown stacking work!

though this part:
01:39.000: ABSpam024MBAM (21665 mana)
01:41.780: ABSpam04MBAM (21106 mana)
02:04.420: ABSpam024MBAM (15678 mana)

seems kind of odd? I guess this is to be ignored and just a side effect of the optimizer trying to use the complete mana pool?

The top level solver (that chooses cycles and cooldowns over the whole fight) does not work at the discrete level (only the cycle solver that computes dps, mps and other cycle statistics from base spells does and even that only for arcane and frost cycles). This means that it assumes any cycle is infinitely divisible which can result in things like above. Discrete level whole fight optimization is beyond the scope of Rawr.Mage and has dubious value anyway.

Originally Posted by germanator

Is there any way to add additional dps to the antique cornerstone grimore(and the 25man version) from the summoned skeleton.

Ive seen he does around 60 dps, maybe he'll scale with raid buffs boss debuff etc.

This is not supported at the moment.

Originally Posted by Occulta

I'm having an issue where Rawr 2.2.21 will value enchants in a strange way for my mage.

It's rating +50 sp main hand enchant over +63, rating +15 spirit to chest as having a negative dps value, and this is pretty consistent for every category of enchant.

Can't help you with the information you've given. You'll have to post a new issue and attach your character xml file.

Kavan · 10/11/09, 3:56 AM

I just want to let everyone know that there is an ugly bug in the current live version that will make comparisons wrong. As a workaround you can disable incremental optimizations. Hopefully we can get another release out soon that fixes this.

Slandebande · 10/11/09, 8:12 AM

Aye I have noticed that aswell. When i have been trying to optimize lately, it actually lowers my overall DPS, regems my gear so i only have 2/3 Dragon's eyes and so on.. I'm really confused as to why its suddenly malfunctioning, but i guess I will have to arm myself with some patience for the next update

Shaitans · 10/11/09, 5:10 PM

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Tebla · 10/12/09, 2:14 AM

I have a question concerning optimization. When I try to optimize my gear my runed dragon's eyes will switch places with other gems. There will be the same amount of each kind but the placement will be different and I can't figure out any rhyme or reason to it.

Also, is there a way to enforce the two blue gem requirement for the Chaotic Skyflare meta. I am not concerned with enforcing all gem requirements, especially if they are not optimal, but when I optimize I usually end up with no blue gems in the optimized set.

Surely, I am doing something wrong. I have tried to select enforce gem requirements, but I can't seem to get it to work.

Astrylian · 10/12/09, 2:51 AM

You do want to enable Enforce Gem Requirements. Read the tooltip on it if you're confused by what it does. Your Dragon Eyes are probably being replaced because you don't have them marked available, or part of an active gemming template. See the help document on gemming templates and/or optimization.

Light4 · 10/12/09, 8:26 AM

Is there a possibility to model the Shiny Shard of the Gods-Set for mages? Is there any info on the internal cooldown of the proc?

Arbitur · 10/12/09, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

You do want to enable Enforce Gem Requirements. Read the tooltip on it if you're confused by what it does. Your Dragon Eyes are probably being replaced because you don't have them marked available, or part of an active gemming template. See the help document on gemming templates and/or optimization.

I think you might have misread Tebla's first concern. The problem is that the dragon eyes are merely shuffled around during optimization without any score increase, not that they aren't being incorporated into the optimized set. For example, after running the optimizer the first time, Rawr would suggest placing two dragon eyes in my belt and one in my gloves. If I were to then run the optimizer once more without changing any of the specifications or selecting new gear to be optimized, Rawr might suggest placing just one dragon eye in my belt and, say, two in my staff. The change offers no dps increase whatsoever, but the optimizer feels the need to display it anyway.

Tebla · 10/12/09, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by Arbitur

I think you might have misread Tebla's first concern. The problem is that the dragon eyes are merely shuffled around during optimization without any score increase, not that they aren't being incorporated into the optimized set. For example, after running the optimizer the first time, Rawr would suggest placing two dragon eyes in my belt and one in my gloves. If I were to then run the optimizer once more without changing any of the specifications or selecting new gear to be optimized, Rawr might suggest placing just one dragon eye in my belt and, say, two in my staff. The change offers no dps increase whatsoever, but the optimizer feels the need to display it anyway.

Exactly right. And, I can't seem to enforce two blue gems.

Lord Elrond · 10/12/09, 3:07 PM

Hey, is there a tutorial somewhere besides the Youtube video on the best way to use Rawr?

I downloaded it mainly for gear comparison and personally, I find it a little information dense.

Astrylian · 10/12/09, 3:55 PM

Ah hah. Gems just being shuffled around with no benefit is a known limitation of the Optimizer that we're working on solving. It should never show you results where JUST gem shuffling occurred, it'll always be some shuffling along with other valid changes. Those can be confusing, because shuffling gems around to get different socket bonuses can indeed be an upgrade. Regardless, we're working on solving the needless shuffling issue.

I'm still confused by "I can't seem to enforce two blue gems."... Did you check Enforce Gem Requirements, like I said?

The YouTube video is the best 'tutorial' we've got, but there's also a good bit of documentation on specific features/concepts on our Help Pages.

Tebla · 10/12/09, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

I'm still confused by "I can't seem to enforce two blue gems."... Did you check Enforce Gem Requirements, like I said?

Thanks for explaining about the gem shuffle. I figured that it was something like that. And yes, I clicked on enforce gem requirements, load up all the gear available to me and optimize and poof every blue gem in my setup is gone. For instance I have two Purified Dreadstones, in my gear to enable my Chaotic Skyflare. I would like there to be 2 blue gems in the optimized setup. They always get replaced with Reckless Ametrine. Now, I understand that the ametrine is higher DPS, but it doesn't qualify as blue.

It is not that big of a deal, I can get by without it, but I would still like a way to make 2 blue gems part of the optimize setup, sort of like making a regex for the final outcome. If that makes sense.

Astrylian · 10/13/09, 12:51 AM

Well, that's what Enforce Gem Requirements does... Do you not have any blue gems marked available? Post your character file, and we can take a look, but that's exactly what Enforce Gem Requirements does. When you have this gear with no blue gems, does the metagem appear grayed out?

Tebla · 10/13/09, 3:39 AM

I don't know if I have any marked as available. That is probably the problem. For instance I have blue gems in my boots and chest. Those are the only two. Now, I have three different chest pieces I could choose from and a couple pairs of boots. So, I run the optimizer with all of the gear that I might conceivably wear going back to Handbook of Obscure remedies and Darkmoon Card: Illusion. I then run optimizer and see if I should break a set bonus or what have you.

So, how do I mark the gems available? I have marked the boots themselves as available and they have blue gems already in them.

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I am sure I am being obtuse.... Here is my char on the armory.Tebla

Hinalover · 10/13/09, 3:52 AM

There are multiple ways of marking gems. The first way is to go the "Tools" then "Edit Gemming Templates" Here you can add different gemming combinations you want. The other way is if you want a specific gem to be considered, go to the right side of the program. At the top where you generally see "Slot Gear \/"; select "Gem > Normal" and then the color you want to select. then click the diamond for the gem you want to evaluate. Also you don't HAVE to have just 2 Blue gems for the meta requirement. Sometimes the gem bonus on a piece of gear is too good that you could have 3-5 Blue gems.

Lastly Ast is talking about a check box above the statistics on your character (below where you put in your server and name info). There is a check box that says "Enforce Meta Requirement" If this is checked, Optimizer will make sure that the meta requirement is enforced. If not, then it will ignore the meta requirement but still keep the results of the meta value.

Astrylian · 10/13/09, 4:01 AM

Originally Posted by Hinalover

There are multiple ways of marking gems. The first way is to go the "Tools" then "Edit Gemming Templates" Here you can add different gemming combinations you want. The other way is if you want a specific gem to be considered, go to the right side of the program. At the top where you generally see "Slot Gear \/"; select "Gem > Normal" and then the color you want to select. then click the diamond for the gem you want to evaluate. Also you don't HAVE to have just 2 Blue gems for the meta requirement. Sometimes the gem bonus on a piece of gear is too good that you could have 3-5 Blue gems.

Lastly Ast is talking about a check box above the statistics on your character (below where you put in your server and name info). There is a check box that says "Enforce Meta Requirement" If this is checked, Optimizer will make sure that the meta requirement is enforced. If not, then it will ignore the meta requirement but still keep the results of the meta value.

The checkbox is labeled "Enforce Gem Requirements" (because it enforces more than just metagem requirements. Normal gems have uniqueness constraints as well), but otherwise that's all accurate.

Tebla · 10/13/09, 4:02 AM

Originally Posted by Hinalover

There are multiple ways of marking gems. The first way is to go the "Tools" then "Edit Gemming Templates" Here you can add different gemming combinations you want. The other way is if you want a specific gem to be considered, go to the right side of the program. At the top where you generally see "Slot Gear \/"; select "Gem > Normal" and then the color you want to select. then click the diamond for the gem you want to evaluate. Also you don't HAVE to have just 2 Blue gems for the meta requirement. Sometimes the gem bonus on a piece of gear is too good that you could have 3-5 Blue gems.

Ah, that did it. I knew I was doing something wrong. Thank you.

seanrich · 10/13/09, 3:02 PM

I was wondering if there were a place to read up on the talent score editor. Rawr is way overvaluing frostbite/shatter for aoeing with blizzard in a raid. Since the frostbites don't stick long enough to use the crit from them, I'd like to reduce the value of shatter. This is most particularly for Anub'arak hard mode when there are 5 things to AOE most of the fight and just about every dps is aoeing.

Daytrader · 10/13/09, 3:05 PM

I observed Frostbite having noticeable up-time on the adds using blizzard.

Kavan · 10/13/09, 7:50 PM

The talent score editor is for making optimizer constraints, it won't influence how the talents are actually modeled.

This is the relevant excerpt for modeling Fingers of Frost/Frostbite/Shatter on Blizzard:

float fof = (calculations.MageTalents.FingersOfFrost == 2 ? 0.15f : 0.07f * calculations.MageTalents.FingersOfFrost);
fof = Math.Max(fof, 0.05f * calculations.MageTalents.Frostbite);
BaseCritRate += (1.0f - (1.0f - fof) * (1.0f - fof)) * (calculations.MageTalents.Shatter == 3 ? 0.5f : 0.17f * calculations.MageTalents.Shatter);

If anyone has a better/more accurate model for this let me know.

Ibaneyou · 10/14/09, 9:39 PM

Something thats concerned me is how RAWR models partial use of evocations. In alot of cases it seems that the extra spirit on the gear will cause RAWR to use say... 87%% of an evo instead of 92%, but in either case you would need to use the full evo (cause it happens in 4 ticks). Seems like itd be a noticeable improvement if the modeler limited evo use to 25%'s.

Sorry if this has already been brought up, but i couldnt find it if it has.

Kavan · 10/14/09, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ibaneyou

Something thats concerned me is how RAWR models partial use of evocations. In alot of cases it seems that the extra spirit on the gear will cause RAWR to use say... 87%% of an evo instead of 92%, but in either case you would need to use the full evo (cause it happens in 4 ticks). Seems like itd be a noticeable improvement if the modeler limited evo use to 25%'s.

Sorry if this has already been brought up, but i couldnt find it if it has.

Advanced options, enable integral mana consumables.

Ibaneyou · 10/14/09, 11:10 PM

Ah, thx much - Maybe it would be worth it to make that the default setting?

Kavan · 10/14/09, 11:31 PM

I don't think it's a good default setting. I think for item comparisons having it disabled gives better results (read: applicable in slightly larger setting than the exact fight parameters you have entered and better accounts for variability).

Zerstorung · 10/15/09, 12:27 AM

Hey Kavan, is there a particular release that you are looking to implement AoE rotations? Thank you.