Rawr.Mage - Page 53

Docjowles · 09/11/09, 4:11 PM

It means you pop a pot right before you enter combat so that the cooldown starts, enabling you to use a second pot later on in the fight.

Noshei · 09/12/09, 2:05 PM

I'm wondering if there is a way to model the SP gains from Incanters based on average Adsorbs per second (or what ever time). Or is this ability already in Rawr?

Astrylian · 09/12/09, 2:53 PM

This is already in Rawr. It's modeled off the data you put on the Survivability tab of the Options page. For example, put in 1500 fire DPS, with 0.5s frequency, and 1500 absorption per second to simulate Twin Val'kyr.

Maje · 09/12/09, 3:52 PM

What I don't understand is the DPS value of 3.2.2 Combustion, I checked rawr's valuation (v36594) vs how simcraft values it (r3288). I enabled 3.2.2 in both, Rawr values combustion as around 15dps (0.1%) increase while simcraft at 100dps (1.2%).

Noshei · 09/12/09, 4:37 PM

Ok I got the absorb part working now, but is there a way to model the mana gains from using 2/2 Frost Warding and using Fire/Frost Ward to absorb dmg? I know when I did twins on 10 man earlier this week I gained over 23k mana just from using fire ward.

Rocketman · 09/13/09, 11:12 PM

Well, I managed to break RAWR.

I just got [Enlightenment]. I ran the optimizer, it told me to equip it, along with changing some other gear around. I had some trouble with the enchant on it, but think I figured that out. At this point I noticed that the Off-Hand item was grayed out.

I then ran optimizer again, this time for my 10 man group (no 3% hit buff) and noticed it was having me go back to my MH OH combo. I noticed it changed my gem on my OH even though I did not select the override option. I realized I probably did not change the green diamond to a purple diamond on that item. I went to go accomplish that, but I could not (and still can not) select an OH item. Not from the drop-down, and not from clicking on that slot on the left side. The slot is empty (not filled with a grayed out item)

I removed RAWR and re-downloaded. Problem still exists.

I removed all diamonds next to [Enlightenment], equipped a sword, saved my character, exited and restarted RAWR. Still can not get OH to show.

I made sure that Offhand/Misc. Misc. is checked in Tools/Refine Types of Items Listed

I am getting an exception:

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Rawr.Character.GetRelevantItemInstances(CharacterSlot slot)
at Rawr.ItemComparison.LoadGearBySlot(CharacterSlot slot)
at Rawr.FormMain.LoadComparisonData(String chartTag)
at Rawr.FormMain.slotToolStripMenuItem_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEventInteractive(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEvent(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

If I start a new character, I am able to select an OH. Error must be tied to my saved character. I guess I will need to start from scratch unless anyone can help me fix my saved character.

Astrylian · 09/14/09, 12:15 AM

Please post your character file in a new issue on the Issue Tracker of the codeplex site.

• Wizeowel · 09/14/09, 8:36 AM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

This is already in Rawr. It's modeled off the data you put on the Survivability tab of the Options page. For example, put in 1500 fire DPS, with 0.5s frequency, and 1500 absorption per second to simulate Twin Val'kyr.

In the current build 36664, I fill in the above survivability settings. Then I look at the 'talents' comparison tab:
- For 0/3 points in IA, it shows a non-highlighted dps value of around 800 dps;
- Putting 1/3, 2/3 and 3/3 points, the IA value becomes highlighted but shows 0 dps;
- The 'talent specs' comparison tab between 0/3 and 3/3 IA shows ~1400 dps difference.

So which is it? 800 or 1400? Is the 'talent' comparison wrong or am I reading it wrong? Seems to me it should show 0 dps for 0/3 and 466 dps per point in IA after that.

Rocketman · 09/14/09, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Please post your character file in a new issue on the Issue Tracker of the codeplex site.

Done.

Title is "Cant Select Off-Hand Item"

austinpumpkinhead · 09/15/09, 11:14 AM

I am an avid user of Rawr...I really appreciate having the tool available to help me plan what I link for in raids.

Just wanted to drop a wall of text post with both a question, and a feature suggestion.

The question I have may be noobish but still...say my current baseline gearset is 1000 DPS and I am at or over the 17% hit cap. Then lets say I get a big weapon upgrade that drops my hit but raises my DPS significantly. Even after trying to close the hit gap with trinkets, gems, etc, I am still below the hit cap at 15% say, but my DPS is now 1050 say.

Basically is 1000 DPS at 17% hit > 1050 DPS at 15%? Just using round numbers not to scale on the deltas.
If Rawr is telling me my overall DPS is higher, but I am not hit capped, should I ignore Rawr in that case?

The feature suggestion that I have is building in the ability to filter gear based on raid content.
I would LOVE to have a checkbox that would filter out TOC 25man heroic loot, or Ulduar 25man heroic loot.
That way when the loot drops I can just click and see what is a good upgrade, and not visually filter heroic items.
My game plan since I have been using it is to prep ahead of the raid...this feature would save a lot of time.

Along the same vein it would be nice if faction specific loot could be filtered...thinking of TOC of course.

Thanks in advance for answers to my question, and for reading my feature suggestion.

Elrohir

Juravieal · 09/15/09, 12:41 PM

The newest version already filters out faction specific, for all items that are tagged as such on wowhead. There is also already a checkbox to filter out specific raids. Click filter on the top of the right hand comparison window. From there you can uncheck the instance you dont want to see the gear from.

Docjowles · 09/15/09, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by austinpumpkinhead

Basically is 1000 DPS at 17% hit > 1050 DPS at 15%? Just using round numbers not to scale on the deltas.
If Rawr is telling me my overall DPS is higher, but I am not hit capped, should I ignore Rawr in that case?

If Rawr says dropping below hit cap is higher DPS, then it's higher DPS. There isn't an implied "if you were hit capped you'd be doing this much DPS" at the end of that. Obviously hit is very important, but it's not a magical Jesus stat. If you're going from a horrible quest reward green to a hard mode Colosseum drop with 500 more spell power, 2% more crit and haste but 1% less hit, that's still going to be a net DPS increase.

The only other factor is "random numbers are random". If you're not capped, all the stars could align causing you to miss 20 straight spells and do shit damage. Or make you restack scorch because you missed with 2 seconds left and it fell off. At that point it's up to you to decide whether 50 more DPS on average is worth the rare but possible chance of getting boned by the RNG. If you're only 1-2% away from the cap, you can fix it easily enough with a couple [Veiled Ametrine].

austinpumpkinhead · 09/15/09, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by Docjowles

If Rawr says dropping below hit cap is higher DPS, then it's higher DPS. There isn't an implied "if you were hit capped you'd be doing this much DPS" at the end of that. Obviously hit is very important, but it's not a magical Jesus stat. If you're going from a horrible quest reward green to a hard mode Colosseum drop with 500 more spell power, 2% more crit and haste but 1% less hit, that's still going to be a net DPS increase.

I thought so even though most people treat spell hit like it is a magical jesus stat.
My example was going from T7.5 gloves to iLevel 245 gloves so yeah makes sense.

Originally Posted by Docjowles

The only other factor is "random numbers are random". If you're not capped, all the stars could align causing you to miss 20 straight spells and do shit damage. Or make you restack scorch because you missed with 2 seconds left and it fell off. At that point it's up to you to decide whether 50 more DPS on average is worth the rare but possible chance of getting boned by the RNG. If you're only 1-2% away from the cap, you can fix it easily enough with a couple [Veiled Ametrine].

My understanding was as you describe...just increasing or decreasing your changes of getting hosed by RNG for a miss.
Until last night I had a set maxed for DPS around the one billion hit on the Intensity staff...that is a lot to overcome.

Thanks.

Elro

Burra · 09/16/09, 12:12 PM

While spell hit is not a "magical Jesus stat", you'll be a heroic training dummy if you show up to a 25 man non-hit capped.

Hit cap vs. non hit cap is like wearing a suit to the office vs. wearing a sports jersey. It doesn't hurt anyone. No one will explode because you wore a jersey. It's just not done. Like riding your bike naked or shaking babies, no one is hurt in this (except maybe the baby), but it's bad practice.

Take the lumps, and gem for hit until you get enough hit pieces to remove the hit gems.

In many, many guilds you'd either be laughed out of raid, or sat for someone else until you did reach the hit cap. Whether or not it's a "magical Jesus stat" is irrelevant, Jesus doesn't run our raids (tho he is our Co-Pilot). And I bet he's hit capped.

Maledict · 09/16/09, 2:54 PM

And those guilds would be idiots who do not understand how the game works. It is extremely likely that players who know what they are doing with their gear and who are able to use RAWR will nto be hitcapped. I don't think you understand the above comments, because you are doing exactly what folks are saying - treating hit rating as a magical jesus stat when it really, really isn't.

Hit rating before the cap is good, and it is very good value for increasing your dps, and often the best way to increase your dps. It is not by any means a stat you absolutely have to have capped, and it's often preferable to run below the hit cap thanks to the way hit is budgeted on items, and the tradeoffs for other stats.

Use RAWR, and use your brain when looking for gear. Never assume being hit capped is the best option. Hit rating is just another stat, it doesn't have magical powers, and you are doing people a huge disservice by saying they have to be hitcapped like you are doing.