Rawr.Mage - Page 71

Omnia · 01/13/10, 5:57 PM

With 2pcT10, is ABspam4MBAM still the highest dps optimal cycle? I noticed Rawr started recommending ABSpam0234MBAM in parts of the fight sequence instead, which seems unintuitive since: (1) mana sources have not changed, (2) ABSpam4MBAM is still listed as higher dps.

Astrylian · 01/13/10, 7:27 PM

ABSpam0234MBAM activates the 2T10 bonus more often, providing higher average haste. The displayed DPS of individual rotations do not include any temporary effects.

Kavan · 01/13/10, 7:33 PM

I would say the main thing is that 2T10 lowers the gap between ABSpam4MBAM and ABSpam234MBAM, making the latter much more efficient. As result even though it's lower dps it's better to use that and use less evocation. If you don't have to use evocation you should still use ABSpam4MBAM however.

Omnia · 01/13/10, 9:55 PM

I am curious about cases where combined haste allows you to fit 3 AB's within the 4-second effect. Say you get an MB proc on the 1st AB: shouldn't you wait until the 3rd AB to cast AM? I imagine this isn't modeled by Rawr. (Or maybe the dps increase is negligible compared to the effort of timing extra AB casts.)

Kevinally · 01/13/10, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Omnia

I am curious about cases where combined haste allows you to fit 3 AB's within the 4-second effect. Say you get an MB proc on the 1st AB: shouldn't you wait until the 3rd AB to cast AM? I imagine this isn't modeled by Rawr. (Or maybe the dps increase is negligible compared to the effort of timing extra AB casts.)

As Kavan has already said, this increases the DPS of ABSpam234MBAM, which is a more mana-efficient rotation than AB4MBAM. If you specifically wanted to compare throwing your MBAM as soon as it procs versus waiting for the last possible hasted AB, then just compare ABSpam234MBAM to AB(x to 4)MBAM, where x is the most possible hasted AB casts (in your case, compare ABSpam34MBAM to AB4MBAM).

Omnia · 01/13/10, 10:48 PM

I believe this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison you can do by just looking at the spell dps/dpm chart. "ABspam234MBAM-with-4-second-MBAM-cooldown" is something that might have to be modeled in sequence reconstruction to be accurate/relevant.

Kavan · 01/13/10, 11:08 PM

What 4-second effect are you talking about? If you mean 2T10 that is 5 seconds and you can use the cycle analyzer to see exact effects including variations on spell selection depending on exact timing information.

Hibbo · 01/14/10, 4:06 AM

Originally Posted by Maje

Some information about [Dislodged Foreign Object];

* ICD is 45 seconds
* When it procs you gain 2 buffs the first is Surge of Power - Spell - World of Warcraft and the second Surging Power - Spell - World of Warcraft, Surging Power is the one that stacks (to 10).
* It procs of of spell casts; for that matter the beginning of the spell cast is the trigger, each AM tick cast can trigger it.

I'm not sure about the proc rate, since the above information is from parsing worldoflogs, but it's reasonable to assume 10%. In general, the uptime of the buff during a fight seems to be around 40%.

To model it in rawr you can edit the trinket and add a special effect of (105 + 1050) / 2 = 577.5 spellpower for 20 seconds 10% proc chance and 45 seconds ICD. It is around 30% better then normal Reign for Arcane.

--Rawr's evaluation agrees with 40% uptime since the numbers match almost exactly the value of 155 haste + static 230.8 spellpower (577.5 * .4).

Shouldn`t we calcualte [Dislodged Foreign Object] with 105 + 945 / 2 = 525 because the 10 Stack appears at 20 Seconds?

Time	Surge of Power	Surging Power
0	105
2		105
4		210
6		315
8		420
10		525
12		630
14		735
16		840
18		945
20		1050

Rugz · 01/14/10, 4:27 AM

The total spellpower gain at 20 seconds would be 1050 + 105, you only need 9 actual stacks, plus the original 0-second proc to get 1050 spellpower out of the trinket.

Hibbo · 01/14/10, 5:56 AM

I think that`s what i have written there (105 + 945) = 1050 / 2 = 525
but everyone is calculating the Trinket with 577,5 Spell Power x 2 = 1155

Rugz · 01/14/10, 5:59 AM

What you should have written is (105 + 1050) / 2

The first stack (0 seconds) is 105 spellpower, and the last stack (18 seconds) is 105 + (9 x 105) which is 1050 spellpower.

For clarity perhaps the table should be this:

Time	Surge of Power	Surging Power
0	105
2	105	105
4	105	210
6	105	315
8	105	420
10	105	525
12	105	630
14	105	735
16	105	840
18	105	945
20	Buff Expires

Hibbo · 01/14/10, 7:22 AM

Sorry i thought it is clear that the 10 stack that appears at 20 Seconds could not be calculated because the Buff only has a complete duration of 20 Seconds. Thanks for your clarification Rugz.

Maje · 01/14/10, 8:25 AM

A bit more information on [Dislodged Foreign Object]; for fire it seems to proc of any spell cast which is expected, however it also procs from Living Bomb ticks, application and explosion. Also it seems to proc from Mirror Image spell casts, that is the frostbolts/fireblasts they cast (this is not certain I'm still trying to reproduce it).

In general the behaviour is somewhat odd, the buff is applied instantly if it procs from a spell cast, however from LB ticks it is applied around 300 milliseconds later.

Juravieal · 01/14/10, 3:23 PM

Would there be any reason that [Arcane Loops of Anger] doesnt show up under necks in rawr? I started to add it with the item editor, and it is in the database. I do not have anything ilevel 232 or above filtered, and I do have all 3 ICC dungeons active as well.

Edit - Nevermind, I found the reason. It is listed as Alliance rather than as both.

Korey · 01/16/10, 6:08 PM

I'm having a problem with the dps score Rawr is showing. It says my dps is 7951.3 dps (7953.66 score), but when I optimize (with incremental optimizations disabled), it says my current dps score is 8013.055. The optimizer also suggests a setup that is slightly lower than that (8012). Any ideas why it's doing this?