Rawr.Mage - Page 72

Kavan · 01/16/10, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Korey

I'm having a problem with the dps score Rawr is showing. It says my dps is 7951.3 dps (7953.66 score), but when I optimize (with incremental optimizations disabled), it says my current dps score is 8013.055. The optimizer also suggests a setup that is slightly lower than that (8012). Any ideas why it's doing this?

Most likely reason is that you have advanced solver enabled for display. The default solver will usually overestimate a bit, which I think is what you're seeing (the optimizer uses the settings for comparisons).

If not can you post a new issue and attach the character xml where this happens?

hackers · 01/17/10, 3:52 AM

The mages in our guild have a little disagreement in our guild about the use of the Presence of Mind talent. I've tried going through Rawr's code, looking at a number of websites, and even running the numbers myself but have been unsucessful. How is a critical strike damage calculated and specifically how is it altered by Mage talents? Specifically the problem we are trying to solve is whether the crit buff cast with a PoM is worth using with AM due to the glyph?

Here's where I got but my numbers don't add up.
For a general crit modified by Arcane Power Talent
(Damage+SP modifier damage)*(1+0.5*1.5)
the rest multiply on damage except for arcane empowerment, which is static regardless of crit.

However my numbers don't match my ingame dummy crits.

I apologize if this doesn't pertain directly to Rawr but relates to combat mechanics which I assume are gully modeled in rawr.
Thanks for your help!

Kavan · 01/17/10, 4:13 AM

PoM is not currently modeled in Rawr.

semata · 01/17/10, 8:24 PM

Originally Posted by hackers

Specifically the problem we are trying to solve is whether the crit buff cast with a PoM is worth using with AM due to the glyph?

I've always been under the impression that only the first tick of AM would benefit from the extra 30% crit. Has this changed?

Laralee · 01/19/10, 2:21 AM

it seems [dislodged foreign object] still not modeled correctly in this latest version of rawr

Hinalover · 01/19/10, 3:17 AM

Originally Posted by Laralee

it seems [dislodged foreign object] still not modeled correctly in this latest version of rawr

Can you give a reason why you are saying that. Make sure you refresh the info from Wowhead so that the line

577.5 Spell Power (20 sec 10% on Damaging Spell Hit/45 sec)

appears.

Omnia · 01/19/10, 3:23 AM

There is some confusion because the cached items that come with 2.3.6 do not have the updated Nibelung and Dislodged Foreign Object data, even though Rawr now implements and parses them. Just manually refresh from Wowhead as Hina suggested.

Rocketman · 01/19/10, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kavan

FFB doesn't have 2T10 modeled yet.

I didn't see anything about this in the 2.3.6 notes. Is it in yet? When might it be?

Hinalover · 01/20/10, 1:49 AM

Originally Posted by Rocketman

I didn't see anything about this in the 2.3.6 notes. Is it in yet? When might it be?

Well, Kavan posted an update that better supported 2-piece T10 for fire cycles earlier tonight. So whenever 2.3.7 is released, RAWR should have better support for Fireball and Frostfire bolt specs with the 2-piece T10 set.

Edit: even though it's already modeled, the earliest people will be getting 4-piece T10 will be next week. So once people get their 4-piece can people test the 4-piece to make sure it lines up with what RAWR is giving.

Shaitans · 01/20/10, 9:05 AM

I'm getting some major errors with rawr, but I don't believe it's rawr's fault and I have no idea how to fix my end. First off, I will say that it began when I got a particularly nasty virus a few weeks ago (the "anti-virus" virus - basically, it locks down every program by telling you, for example, "task manager is infected, would you like to run your anti-virus now?"). I managed to clear it off my system by running an anti-virus in safe mode, finding the registry edits done by the virus and deleting those. However, now I get two basic errors.

1. Whenever I try to load a previously saved character file into a newer version of Rawr (say from 2.3.5 in 2.3.6) - I get the message telling me that "There was an error attempting to open this character. Most likely it was saved with a previous version of Rawr, and isn't upgradable to the new format. Sorry. Please load your character from armory to begin." Now, granted, the error somewhat fits the bill; however, I never had that issue before the virus and somehow I doubt that the formatting from 2.3.6 is uncompatable with 2.3.5.

2. Whenever I try to load a character from Armory (be it me or anyone), I get the message telling me that "No such character could be retrieved from armory." That's the type of error one would get if you mistyped the server or the name or put in the wrong region. I double checked all of those and even tried it for multiple characters, but to no avail.

Finally, I will say that, as per Kavan's suggestions, I have looked into the Network settings under rawr's options, but that has not solved anything.

If you have any ideas for me to try (beyond reformatting if it's possible), or even better if you have previously seen and fixed this type of error before, please let me know.

Edit: For additional information, I use a Thinkpad T60 with Windows XP.

smulch · 01/20/10, 9:11 AM

It would be more efficient if you modeled the dislodged foreign object by basing yourself on the speed of the spells. Determine how many spells can be casts and at which stack and divide it by the amount of spells done. I understand that it might be hard to model (maybe impossible?) but it would be more accurate.

Siduri · 01/20/10, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by semata

I've always been under the impression that only the first tick of AM would benefit from the extra 30% crit. Has this changed?

Not that I know of.

alannia · 01/21/10, 11:29 AM

For Arcane with 2/2 Arcane Subtlety and the usual raid buffs, Rawr shows threat reduction as 43.09%. The threat reduction number decreases by unticking certain raid buffs such as Judgements of the Wise, Mana Spring Totem, Divine Spirit, etc. Can someone explain how raid buffs relate to threat reduction? Where does the extra 3.09% come from?

• Wizeowel · 01/21/10, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by alannia

Can someone explain how raid buffs relate to threat reduction? Where does the extra 3.09% come from?

Gaining mana, and stuff like buffing and using potions generates threat. I'm not sure that Rawr is entirely correct in its calculations, since the TTT on threat says that passive mana generation (BoWisdom, Mana Spring) doesn't count, but certainly evocating or using mana pots can pull mobs. If you need to know exact threat values you could test on low level mobs and see what Omen says, and post your results here.

Kavan · 01/21/10, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by alannia

For Arcane with 2/2 Arcane Subtlety and the usual raid buffs, Rawr shows threat reduction as 43.09%. The threat reduction number decreases by unticking certain raid buffs such as Judgements of the Wise, Mana Spring Totem, Divine Spirit, etc. Can someone explain how raid buffs relate to threat reduction? Where does the extra 3.09% come from?

Thread reduction displayed is calculated as 1 - threat dealt / damage dealt. Most likely the extra reduction is from Mirror Image damage since it doesn't cause threat. Also some nondamage events cause threat such as proccing JoW, using mana pots, Evocation etc.