Right I'll shut up now :P

Thanks for the correction

I wish every single profession craftable that adds something permanent to an item wouldnt be called an enchant. Just makes it confusing for enchanters and "actual" enchants.

Astrylian, thanks for adding the Darkmoon Card: Greatness cards to the newest version of RAWR!

Regarding the availble gear list, do I manually have to add every combination of gems to every item I have? can I just add the item with no gems and Rawr would pick the best gemming option for me?

The only time Rawr will choose gemming for you is if you use optimizer. Optimizer will create any combinations it needs, they don't have to be in item cache.

This is also my first post on these boards.

I have been using Rawr for a couple of days now, trying to get the hang of reading the information it's giving me.

Firstly on spec, I'm obviously not getting what I should out of it, selecting the 13/0/58 frostbolt spec places it on the top of the TalentSpecs chart, but this also happens when I select FFB or arcane as the selected spec.

Secondly, gems, I'm seeing 20AP 10HR gems coming up as a suggestion for gemming, obviously the HR is going to be the biggest boon to my DPS until I cap but then why doesn’t it suggest a pure HR gem? I tried fiddling with the Tools > Set default gemming, but I just don't understand how to work this feature.

I also see multiple occurrences of the same item in the charts with different gemming, is this simply due to the fact while a 16HR gem may be a good upgrade over the current item or stats, it may not be the best choice when optimised? As a score is given based on the upgrade if nothing was equipped in the slot?

Finally, is there any way to stop it enforcing socket colours for the bonus? Because logic would dictate that a hit rating gem is a bigger DPS boost than socketing a red gem for +6 int.

I apologise if these questions have been answered elsewhere, I looked through this thread and saw an answer about the gemming issue, but I don't understand how to use the Set default gemming tool to fix it.

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help.

I'm guessing you are mistaking the item comparison lists for some kind of suggestions that Rawr is making? It doesn't work like this. Those lists are just showing what the dps value of an item is if you happened by chance to use that gemming. So if the list has some odd gem combinations, just remember that this application is made for other classes as well for mages and that's why it might have a starting selection with strength and expertise in your cloth helm.

So if you only play a mage then you can just do away with all the gemmings that are automatically created for the other models. Open Rawr, don't load your character yet but just choose the Mage model. Open 'set default gemming'. Check the box marked 'delete other gemmings'. Put runed scarlet rubies in the 3 colour slots, and then the chaotic skyflare meta gem in the last slot. Now click 'regem' or whatever the button is called, then close and restart Rawr. Now what you have is an 'item cache' where all the items are gemmed for high dps as default. This way, what you'll see in the item comparison lists is a fair reflection of an item's potential.

But now the question: how do you use Rawr to find the optimal gemming for your gear? There is a tool called optimiser which can help you do this. Use the comparison lists to mark (green diamond) which gear and enchants are available to you. Also select which gems you are considering (in general mark the highest red, yellow and blue gems from the list, plus the veiled gem in case you need a hit adjustment). Make sure to click 'enforce meta gem' so that it knows to give you 2 blue gems for your CSD. Not forgetting of course to fill in all the buffs and fight options correctly. And now run the optimiser and it will make a gear set with gems for your highest dps.

After you've done this I do recommend switching off 'enforce metagem' again. Because what happens after the optimiser regems for you... well it adds the blue gemmed items to your comparison lists and since those are needed to activate your meta gem, those items will always seem better than the red-gemmed default items you made earlier. So by switching off 'enforce metagem' Rawr will again look at items without considering the metagem.

Unless i'm mistaken it look likes the Elemental precision talent is still with % hit to frost and fire spell instead of all spells...

I've created a fake gem with 3% hit for my gloves to accurately model my hit score with arcane spells

Are you sure you are using the latest version? I can't reproduce what you're saying. For me as soon as I add Precision it increases hit% for arcane.

With latency combos I refer specifically to casting ABar at the same time as 5th tick of AM is cast, there will be a new option in next release to model clipping (or something else depending on new findings).

JoW was not updated in time for 2.1.8 release, it is fixed for next version.

How is the ABarr bug currently modeled? It doesn't seem to make extreme DPS changes like I'd expect when changing success rate from 0 to 1 (3666 dps VS 3884, I would expect a bigger loss if all ABarrs don't get 60% damage buff).

Forcing scorch seems to only use rotations that end with scorch, even during AP, yet at the end up only casting 11.3 scorches which is fine for the 6 min fight duration. Unless I'm missing something, this is rather wierd since you can re-scorch at pretty much any time that isn't the AM-ABarr part of the rotation.

Does PoM ever get used? I'd like to see if PoM pyro is actually worth it with a scorch spec over PoM AB (which I'd guess would be worth it), however I don't see any PoM being used at all in the rotations.

Why is it using a fraction of a mana potion but full evocation and not the other way around? It seems to be combining the mana potion with a speed potion...

If you model clipping, should probably leave it to the user to be able to set a chance to hit ABarr at any of the reasonable times that it could happen (for example, I'd probably set mine to be something like average between 0.5s b4 AM is over to getting it spot on, and 0.3s before to 0.2s after on procs, unless I can get a better way to do it while keeping errors in mind). Maybe even give a "ABarr miss time" which would mean how accurately you can time your ABarr and actually find the optimal time for hitting ABarr taking the random error into account. And of course telling me at exactly what time I should actually hit my ABarr to get optimal DPS with my error.


It would be nice if maintaining scorch would also have an option for how many times or how often you have to completely restack scorch in a fight (switching targets, running around for too long etc).

Another wierd thing I've noticed, is that it seems to often (but not always) prefer running me oom than using a different rotation. Also does is AB-ABarr better efficiency cycle than AB2-ABarr or is the latter simply not modeled? Thinking of which, it would be nice to be able to see a list of all supported rotations, including the ones that weren't used (unless it's there and I'm missing it).

How come PoM is so hard to model? It's just 1 more cooldown, isn't it?

For proc trinkets, is there anything that takes into account the fact that spell damage is calculated on cast finish while haste is calculated at cast start? For short duration procs this can make a noticeable difference, so it would be good to know if they're being over/under-valued.