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Old 12/21/10, 3:34 AM   #1381
Tyfon
Von Kaiser
 
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Worgen Mage
 
Suramar
It appears that Molten Armor doesn't affect the crit percent displayed on that stat tab.

edit: Sorry, you're correct - I had automatic armor checked under options so toggling it in the buffs tab had no effect. I did see the values of items change when I was toggling it, but I know that's just a result of the optimizations.

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Old 12/21/10, 5:11 AM   #1382
Kavan
Bald Bull
 
Gnome Mage
 
Kilrogg
I'm pretty sure Molten Armor displays correctly. I'd have to see the specific character file where that happens to see exactly what is going on, but you can check Mage Specific -> Stats Graph to see if there is anything unusual going on. The ones I'm looking at have a slight knee around 33% as expected.

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Old 12/21/10, 11:10 AM   #1383
hypetech
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Draenei Mage
 
Elune
I'm using mage armor over molten armor as frost, so I don't think that would be the issue anyway. When I look at relative stat values, it's valuing crit as slightly better than haste, but it's still reforging the crit on a few of my items to haste regardless while it optimizes me at 29.05% crit. I've attached a copy of my character XML.
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Old 12/21/10, 1:41 PM   #1384
Kavan
Bald Bull
 
Gnome Mage
 
Kilrogg
It's not crit that changes there, but the haste. You're right above the threshold for first extra dot tick, which I thought shouldn't have an effect in the Frost model, so I'll have to look a bit more in detail what is going on.

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Old 12/21/10, 6:00 PM   #1385
nitrax
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Undead Mage
 
Dark Iron
Hey Kavan, have you found the stat weights to be correct on the specs? Or do you know how those things might be able to be changed?

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Old 12/21/10, 6:37 PM   #1386
Morthoul
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Pandaren Mage
 
Shadowmoon
Something seems wrong with Chimera Eyes. If I replace one of my +40 int gems with the +67 int Chimera's Eye, dps goes up a bit as expected. But if I replace a second, dps goes down several hundred points. The optimizer seems aware of this, and always gems only a single Chimera Eye.

This happens with both Chaotic and Ember metas, so I don't think it's related to the meta. Rather, Rawr thinks the Chimera's Eye is unique and only acknowledges them if you have only one. Has anyone else experienced this?

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Old 12/21/10, 7:11 PM   #1387
Kavan
Bald Bull
 
Gnome Mage
 
Kilrogg
I can't comment on correctness of stat weights directly as those are merely a derivative result. I can comment on correctness of the models, which I'm satisfied with Arcane and Frost, a bit unsure about Fire until I get a chance to look more in depth comparing with simc. That said, there is always room for improvement and I'm open to any suggestions, specially on any improvements to the cycle models for fire and frost (by this I mean conversion of character stats to spell cast distribution and dot uptimes).

The Chimera Eyes issue is a bug, it's treating them as unique(1) instead of unique(3).

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Old 12/21/10, 7:33 PM   #1388
Valaran
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Troll Mage
 
Kil'Jaeden
Ran into an odd issue. Even though the item cache has both 359 and 372 versions of Book of Binding Will (it finds them both when I search in the Item Editor), no matter what I try, the 359 version will not show up in the Gear > Off Hand item list.

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Old 12/21/10, 8:44 PM   #1389
Ivorthemage
Piston Honda
 
Human Mage
 
Uldum
Tried using the new Rawr using a browser, and saving local copy. It is taking about 30 seconds just to register that I clicked something, making it unusable. Not seeing anyone else here with same issues, so do you guys have any tips what I might be doing wrong? Tried it in both IE 8 and Chrome. Thanks

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Old 12/21/10, 8:49 PM   #1390
Astrylian
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Stormrage
Make sure that it says 4.0.12 in the bottom right; that sounds like the huge issue that was in 4.0.9 and .10 that made it completely unusable for most people. If you don't have .12, you probably have some caching issue (clear browser cache, that sort of thing).

Rawr!

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Old 12/24/10, 6:46 PM   #1391
Yetigeeze
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Troll Mage
 
Runetotem
[quote=Morthoul;1823433] Something seems wrong with Chimera Eyes. If I replace one of my +40 int gems with the +67 int Chimera's Eye, dps goes up a bit as expected. But if I replace a second, dps goes down several hundred points. The optimizer seems aware of this, and always gems only a single Chimera Eye. [quote]

You'll have to edit the Brilliant Chimera's Eye, need to uncheck the unique box. Not sure how this will effect the optimizer, I can't see a way to let it know to only use a max of three JC only gems.

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Old 12/26/10, 8:34 AM   #1392
coderego
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Firetree
I'm having an odd situation... [Tendrils of Burrowing Dark] regular is being valued higher than [Tendrils of Burrowing Dark] heroic. Yes my buffs are setup appropriately but that should not matter. It is a direct point for point upgrade.'


Edit: I have figured out why, the heroic version is not set with the proc. For your reference its 1710 sp/15 seconds

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Old 12/27/10, 12:56 PM   #1393
Valaran
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Kil'Jaeden
Another couple of quirks I've noticed. T11 2PC does not appear to increase the crit chance of Pyroblast, and T11 4PC does not appear to change the casting time of fireball/frostbolt/etc at all, and is therefore not being suggested by the Optimizer.

Thanks for all you do!

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Old 12/28/10, 10:55 AM   #1394
croc181
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Draenei Mage
 
Alexstrasza
Originally Posted by coderego View Post
I'm having an odd situation... [Tendrils of Burrowing Dark] regular is being valued higher than [Tendrils of Burrowing Dark] heroic. Yes my buffs are setup appropriately but that should not matter. It is a direct point for point upgrade.'


Edit: I have figured out why, the heroic version is not set with the proc. For your reference its 1710 sp/15 seconds


This is also the case with heroic version of Anhuur's Hymnal, no proc shown (should be 1710 sp/10 seconds)

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Old 12/28/10, 9:26 PM   #1395
Evilzoidberg
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Draenei Mage
 
Lothar
Originally Posted by Kavan View Post
Check Options->Edit Options and make sure Enforce Gem Requirements is set.
I double checked that, and it still seems like its not working. I get 4 reds, 2 purples, and 2 oranges, which won't activate it right now. Tried it both check and unchecked.

Edit: After toggling it a couple of times, it seemed to kick in. Weird.

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