Rawr.Mage - Page 99

Astrylian · 01/25/11, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Finkum

Why does Rawr sometimes rate gear with spirit as better than items of the same iLevel with two DPS rating stats? Specifically, when I import my toon (Finkum@Frostmourne-US), the i346 shoulders [Kyrstel Mantle] (with spirit reforged to crit, with int+crit gem) are rated slightly higher than the equal iLevel [Mantle of Master Cho] with crit + haste (with any gem).

It can't be the case that the Kyrstel Mantle gives enough haste (with appropriate gem + socket bonus) to reach some sort of breakpoint as the Mantle is consistently rated higher for a number of different haste values.

I enabled the unlimited mana option in case Rawr still thought spirit increased mana regeneration for mages, but although the rating disparity lessened, the Mantle was still rated higher.

Almost certainly that is due to gems. You need a yellow to meet a metagem requirement, I'd guess.

Inoxia · 01/25/11, 6:39 PM

I searched the thread and did not see it mentioned, but when using the Optimizer in rawr hosted on this site, it suggests I use another Jeweled Serpent when I have one equipped already. You are only able to complete the quest to create it once.

• Wizeowel · 01/25/11, 7:06 PM

Originally Posted by Inoxia

I searched the thread and did not see it mentioned, but when using the Optimizer in rawr hosted on this site, it suggests I use another Jeweled Serpent when I have one equipped already. You are only able to complete the quest to create it once.

It is in the thread, but hidden on page 12. The reason is that Rawr gets its data from Wowhead which shows this item with the "unique" checkbox un-clicked. You can make the item unique yourself by selecting Edit Items from the Options menu, or right-clicking the item in the right-hand panel and choosing Edit.

Juravieal · 01/29/11, 4:02 PM

Edit - Gem issue seems to have fixed itself.

I am also getting vastly different numbers between the web client and the new downloadable alpha. Im not sure exactly why, or what to put in the issue tracker, but the same saved file is showing a 3kish dps difference.

zurmagus · 01/29/11, 6:07 PM

Originally Posted by Juravieal

Edit - Gem issue seems to have fixed itself.

I am also getting vastly different numbers between the web client and the new downloadable alpha. Im not sure exactly why, or what to put in the issue tracker, but the same saved file is showing a 3kish dps difference.

I noticed a dps decrease for my character on the web client too. I found that there is an 'ignite munching' parameter in the Spells & Buffs tab now. Setting this to 0 resulted in a ~3k dps increase for my character.

I'm guessing this is a new feature...

Kavan · 01/29/11, 7:52 PM

If there is a difference between web and downloadable version most likely reason is that you have old item data in the web version. Try the Reset Item Cache option.

Lucai · 01/30/11, 1:19 PM

Since i upgraded to the most recent version (4.0.17.0b) I have been getting some weird results with regards to spirit, mana, and haste in profiles with mostly heroic gear. Rawr suggest that Shard of Woe and Tyrande's Favorite Doll are the 2 best trinkets but when you equip them the overall score drops significantly. It also suggests equipping spirit gear in a few places and says that gaining haste decreases dps. The optimizer suggests weaing spirit gear and both of those trinkets as well at full thoroughness.

P.S. This is as fire spec

the profile

Edit: typo

Kavan · 01/30/11, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lucai

Since i upgraded to the most recent version (4.0.17.0b) I have been getting some weird results with regards to spirit, mana, and haste in profiles with mostly heroic gear. Rawr suggest that Shard of Woe and Tyrande's Favorite Doll are the 2 best trinkets but when you equip them the overall score drops significantly. It also suggests equipping spirit gear in a few places and says that gaining haste decreases dps. The optimizer suggests weaing spirit gear and both of those trinkets as well at full thoroughness.

P.S. This is as fire spec

the profile

Edit: typo

This is because of a bug due to a combination of hasted evocation, mana segmentation and incremental optimization. Disabling any of these should work as a workaround. I would suggest disabling hasted evocation unless you're actually using evocation on last tick of Heroism.

dirby · 01/30/11, 8:07 PM

I am noticing a problem with Rawr breaking down the Planetary Bands incorrectly, and in fact giving it (them) a dps value of 0.

There are six different versions of the ring and they are all listed on WoWhead. I don't have major issues with this except for the fact that there are currently NO OTHER rings with the exact stats. The closet thing you can get to it is Signet of the Arcanist Savor, which still gives you a difference of crit/mastery and -5 hit rating.

Hinalover · 01/30/11, 9:21 PM

Originally Posted by dirby

I am noticing a problem with Rawr breaking down the Planetary Bands incorrectly, and in fact giving it (them) a dps value of 0.

There are six different versions of the ring and they are all listed on WoWhead. I don't have major issues with this except for the fact that there are currently NO OTHER rings with the exact stats. The closet thing you can get to it is Signet of the Arcanist Savor, which still gives you a difference of crit/mastery and -5 hit rating.

We are actually in the process of trying to figure out HOW to implement this. You can find out more about what is going on in this thread:

Rawr - rawr - View Issue #19490: [Items] Items with randomly generated suffixes aren't loaded properly

If you have any suggestions or other type help in the matter please post in that thread. As for current, I would suggest manually adding in the item and then editing the item to fit the stats you have equipped.

Aladdon · 01/31/11, 4:10 AM

When I run the optimizer, it usualy tells me to switch most of my gems. When i then load the optimized set it brings my hitrating down to 16.11% while it was 17.02 %. Can't find an option to tell rawr it has to match the 17% first.
Is there an option for that or should I adjust manualy after the optimizer?

second, still every time it misses a gem for now rigid ocean saphirre (+40hit). I add it via the template, but any reason why it is not in the standards?

Aladdon

Anubisblack · 01/31/11, 5:28 AM

Originally Posted by Aladdon

When I run the optimizer, it usualy tells me to switch most of my gems. When i then load the optimized set it brings my hitrating down to 16.11% while it was 17.02 %. Can't find an option to tell rawr it has to match the 17% first.
Is there an option for that or should I adjust manualy after the optimizer?

second, still every time it misses a gem for now rigid ocean saphirre (+40hit). I add it via the template, but any reason why it is not in the standards?

Aladdon

When you open the optimizer under Additional Requirements add "Hit Ratng >= 1742.00". Also, set the thoroughness level higher for more accurate results.

It is generally suboptimal to gem hit, especially pure +40hit. Always gem int unless the socket bonus is really powerful (e.g. +20int) and of course 2 yellow gems for the meta (obsolete with the upcoming meta changes).

Skorp · 01/31/11, 6:30 PM

I have 2 questions and apologize if they seem very basic. I've looked through the thread and haven't been able to find many issues in relation: I reset my item cache and it brought up an error message. Is it simply not working atm or does that possibly mean I don't have a part of Rawr that I should have or didn't download all the supporting applications? I currently have version b4.010.0.

Second question, how can I have Rawr show the t11 2pc and 4pc set bonus? It brings it up under buffs, but doesn't allow me to check or uncheck it.

When attempting to reset the item cache, I get the following error message:

"[Arg_NullReferenceException]
Arguments:
Debugging resource strings are unavailable. Often the key and arguments provide sufficient information to diagnose the problem. See Resources - Silverlight DLL Resources | Microsoft Silverlight

at Rawr.UI.FileUtils.client_OpenReadCompleted(Object sender, OpenReadCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.Net.WebClient.OnOpenReadCompleted(OpenReadCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.Net.WebClient.OpenReadOperationCompleted(Object arg)"

Mangara · 01/31/11, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Skorp

I have 2 questions and apologize if they seem very basic. I've looked through the thread and haven't been able to find many issues in relation: I reset my item cache and it brought up an error message. Is it simply not working atm or does that possibly mean I don't have a part of Rawr that I should have or didn't download all the supporting applications? I currently have version b4.010.0.

Second question, how can I have Rawr show the t11 2pc and 4pc set bonus? It brings it up under buffs, but doesn't allow me to check or uncheck it.

The optimizer can be found under Tools -> Optimizer. I'm not sure about the item cache issues, but regarding the set bonuses, Rawr will automatically use them if you have the right number of set pieces equipped.

Korey · 02/03/11, 5:44 AM

Arcane is acting a little wacky for me. It's been doing things like this consistently:

Wildly fluctuating optimizer results

Note the score on the bottom left

Negative scores for gems

I'm trying to figure out if there's something I'm doing wrong. I am using the WPF 4.0.17 version.

On a related note, I have a general question that actually hinges on whether or not I'm getting accurate results due to the weirdness above: I was curious and switched my talents from fire to an arcane spec, ran optimizer, and my score went up by about 1.5k. Is it "normal" for arcane to be on par or better than fire in Rawr right now? I have mostly high end pre-raid gear and set the boss handler to normal 10-man average raid difficulty. Again, I'm uncertain of whether or not to trust Rawr's arcane values due to the weirdness above.