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Old 12/12/08, 5:23 PM   #46
Carnivean
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Originally Posted by LostnFound View Post
I have been testing not using living bomb on fights like thadius lotheb and patchwerk. And noticed an increase in dps can anyone explain this? Or maybe this will change with living bomb being able to crit and proc hot streaks.

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Sorry cant find the wws reports that I used living bomb on these fights.
On Loathebm yes the totally abnormal high crit rate makes straight FFb spam better than any rotation (maybe add scorch to the mix).

On any other fight, no. How many IDs have you cleared 3 maybe 4? Anecdotal as it can get, the maths says something else .


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Old 12/12/08, 6:50 PM   #47
Saphirox
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Originally Posted by Carnivean View Post
On Loathebm yes the totally abnormal high crit rate makes straight FFb spam better than any rotation (maybe add scorch to the mix).

On any other fight, no. How many IDs have you cleared 3 maybe 4? Anecdotal as it can get, the maths says something else .
Not sure if anyone's done any math on this, but last time we did that boss another mage in the guild (with better gear) simply went scorch/pyro and did very good damage. Whats your thoughts on this? scorch/pyro vs FFB/pyro(mantain scorch)

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Old 12/12/08, 7:06 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Saphirox View Post
Not sure if anyone's done any math on this, but last time we did that boss another mage in the guild (with better gear) simply went scorch/pyro and did very good damage. Whats your thoughts on this? scorch/pyro vs FFB/pyro(mantain scorch)
My thoughts are that this other mage isn't playing optimally?

Scorch doesn't scale as well as FFB with crit%, since it only crits for ~200%, and does less base damage to begin with. While FFB hits for 330%~ on crits, and has a higher base damage, and gets better stat gains from spell power because its coefficient isn't as bad.

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Old 12/12/08, 7:20 PM   #49
morgulhir
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But you'll do a lot more scorches during that time and thus get a lot more Pyroblasts.
Back in the beginning of TBC I used scorch spam unitl ClearCast and then shoot off Arcane missiles - was a very manaefficient build.

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Old 12/12/08, 7:52 PM   #50
Maje
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Even on Loatheb it's better to use LB albeit not by much, the dps increase of using LB is around .5% (at least for my gear, assuming 100% crit chance), however using LB means you need to click one more button and worse still it's an instant sepll that suffers from your lag so on loatheb you might be better of not using it.

I don't see a reason not to use LB on Thadius though, the damage buff applies to LB as much as it applies to Ffb so if it's worth using without the buff it's worth using with it.

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Old 12/12/08, 10:01 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by morgulhir View Post
But you'll do a lot more scorches during that time and thus get a lot more Pyroblasts.
Back in the beginning of TBC I used scorch spam unitl ClearCast and then shoot off Arcane missiles - was a very manaefficient build.
Yes, you'll get more pyroblasts. But you're going to be losing a metric fuckton of damage getting them. You're talking about (at 100% crit rating, for simplicity):

2 scorchs + 1 pyroblast every 3 GCDs (I'm using GCDs because they will vary with your haste) versus 2 FFBs and 1 pyroblast every 5 GCDs.

So, every 15 GCDs, you get 10 scorches, 5 pyros or 6 FFBs and 3 pyros. So, what we need to be able to tell is:

10 Sc + 2 Pyro = 6FFB (assuming everything crits)

Using data for myself from My KT kill last night, 8650 average FFB crit damage, 8370 average pyroblast crit damage and 2902 average scorch crit damage.

(10*2902) + (2*8370) = 29020 + 16740 = 45760

(6*8650) = 51900

FFB wins out.

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Old 12/13/08, 2:24 AM   #52
morgulhir
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Hmm, yes, true. FFB by maths is better.
Though, during 6FFB and 3 Pyro, you still have to scorch once also, to keep the buff up.
And i doubd scorch+pyro mage would be frostfire spec, seems fire/arcane most likely,
Anyway, i'd like a mage like that in my raid - the scorch buff is always up and i don't have to worry about anything

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Old 12/13/08, 7:20 AM   #53
willem11
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Originally Posted by morgulhir View Post
Hmm, yes, true. FFB by maths is better.
Though, during 6FFB and 3 Pyro, you still have to scorch once also, to keep the buff up.
And i doubd scorch+pyro mage would be frostfire spec, seems fire/arcane most likely,
Anyway, i'd like a mage like that in my raid - the scorch buff is always up and i don't have to worry about anything
good mages keep the scorch debuff up always anyway..doesnt matter if you refresh it 20 times or once...

Also remember that scorch scales way worse with about every stat as frostfire bolt does (damage, crit and haste) so as you increase your stats more it will fall behind more.

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Old 12/13/08, 7:37 AM   #54
Lysara
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While not strictly Mage-news, after the patch you'll be able to buy the Flow of Knowledge trinket for only 25 [Wintergrasp Mark of Honor], which is identical to [Sundial of the Exiled]. So if you don't have much luck with drops start doing Wintergrasp a bit.

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Old 12/13/08, 7:42 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by Lysara View Post
While not strictly Mage-news, after the patch you'll be able to buy the Flow of Knowledge trinket for only 25 [Wintergrasp Mark of Honor], which is identical to [Sundial of the Exiled]. So if you don't have much luck with drops start doing Wintergrasp a bit.
I expect that to be changed to 84 resilience instead of 84 crit.
Because it's a PvP item and the melee version has resilience.

Chaotic Meta Gems in Cataclysm: http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t106009-...2/#post1794256

DPS spec and class comparison in Naxxramas gear: http://code.google.com/p/simulationc...i/SampleOutput
The Blue Bar and you - the complete Fire Mage 2.4 mana compendium: http://elitistjerks.com/658230-post3191.html

And [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] doesn't proc on AM.
Neither does [The Egg of Mortal Essence] since 3.1.

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Old 12/16/08, 4:01 AM   #56
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Under the category of "Tips and Tricks", It's been brought to my attention that combining and reforming Eternals (and presumably primals) is instant, has no global cooldown, and, most importantly, counts as a spell cast. This means it can be macroed as a way to instantly and quickly *Force* "on spell cast" trinkets like [Embrace of the Spider] to proc (assuming their not on GCD). Furthermore, I'm fairly sure (though I have no way to test) that this could also be used to *instantly* stack your [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] to 10 stacks.

The downside to this approach is that the macro must be spammed, because there's a momentary delay before the Eternal or component parts are "created" and thus you can't simply combine and recombine the same eternal all in one macro press.

The following macro works if spammed:
/use Eternal water
/use Crystallized Water

You can of course just do the whole Slowfall thing, but that costs mana and GCD's. This is something you can do as you're actually running in for the pull.

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Old 12/16/08, 8:09 PM   #57
Wcshadow
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Forgive me if im not asking the question the right way or whatever, but I was reading somewhere that in LK as a mage we shouldn't gem for spell damage past 1400, afterwards just let gear boost our SD.

After 1400 from gear we should gem for crit/haste till haste is 220 then solely for crit (assuming hit capped)

Can anyone help me with that and tell me if its correct or how incorrect it is.

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Old 12/16/08, 9:12 PM   #58
Chira
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Originally Posted by Faxmonkey View Post
Under the category of "Tips and Tricks", It's been brought to my attention that combining and reforming Eternals (and presumably primals) is instant, has no global cooldown, and, most importantly, counts as a spell cast.
If I'm not mistaken, this was fixed, as it no longer worked for me. It didn't add trinket charges, and it didn't proc my other trinket either. I tried it with Earth, Air, and Water, for what it's worth.

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Old 12/17/08, 3:53 AM   #59
manly
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Unless it was fixed in the past 30 minutes, it works. And god it spams the logs like nothing else.

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff

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Old 12/17/08, 4:08 AM   #60
Lileith
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Originally Posted by Wcshadow View Post
Forgive me if im not asking the question the right way or whatever, but I was reading somewhere that in LK as a mage we shouldn't gem for spell damage past 1400, afterwards just let gear boost our SD.

After 1400 from gear we should gem for crit/haste till haste is 220 then solely for crit (assuming hit capped)

Can anyone help me with that and tell me if its correct or how incorrect it is.
You should'nt take your info from MMO Champion forum...

It takes ~4000 spell power before gemming for crit becomes better than spell power. You should use spellpower gem unless you are aiming for a socket bonus (and then you should use either hit/spell or crit/spell gems depending on your crit rating).

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