I would be surprised if they do NOT stack. The trinket text defines them as different entities that are stacking (mote vs. shard) and there is no reason why they shouldn't work side by side. Similar to any other trinket, the bonus effects stack and can work simultaneously.
That really depends on your gear. For me it is just below illustration and above embrace. The reason it has jumped up though is that it has been proven to have a 25% proc rate (as first thought), compared to the 10% proc rate of Sundial and Embrace.
You can see the data i posted on the proc rate here
That really depends on your gear. For me it is just below illustration and above embrace. The reason it has jumped up though is that it has been proven to have a 25% proc rate (as first thought), compared to the 10% proc rate of Sundial and Embrace.
You can see the data i posted on the proc rate here
Also it should be noted that the Abyssal Rune is on proc spell power, which is generally considered better than on proc haste. I would think this also helps push it ahead of Embrace.
First of all I'd like to thank Enthorn and Sancus for the loot lists. They have saved me a lot of hassle and given me a good list to compare with mine.
That being said, I've been looking at your(Sancus) list for BiS Arcane, and would you prefer Band of Deplorable Violence
over Circle of the Darkmender?
Also, I do not believe we will be able to use 2x Reign of the dead. Assuming we can't, would you prefer Flare of the Heavens, Talisman of Volatile Power, or another trinket I am not aware of?
I'm not sure why you think this at all, but it is ranked below [Abyssal Rune] by a fair margin.
What version of Rawr? Using 3.2.2 mode or not? What kind of gear? Fight length? It's showing up above Abyssal Rune with T9 gear, 300 second fight length, full buffs.
Edit: Perhaps there is confusion about which trinket we are talking about. I saw Talisman and thought it was this one [Talisman of Resurgence] - I didn't realize there is another trinket with a similar name: [Talisman of Volatile Power] which is not very good for any spec.
What version of Rawr? Using 3.2.2 mode or not? What kind of gear? Fight length? It's showing up above Abyssal Rune with T9 gear, 300 second fight length, full buffs.
Edit: Perhaps there is confusion about which trinket we are talking about. I saw Talisman and thought it was this one [Talisman of Resurgence] - I didn't realize there is another trinket with a similar name: [Talisman of Volatile Power] which is not very good for any spec.
If you are talking about [Talisman of Resurgence], you are correct. It is pretty high up there for Arcane. You quoted about [Talisman of Volatile Power], and it is bad for everyone. Pretty much on par with Sundial of the Exiled.
In case anyone is curious, I just picked up the [Reign of the Unliving] and it crits at your normal spell crit rate (at least, my crit rate was above 50%, so seems to--would need a lot more testing to determine if it's using fire crit or overall crit) for ~1.5x damage. It doesn't appear to be affected by any fire talents (though it is classified fire damage), and is definitely not affected by Burnout or Ignite, nor does it interact with Hot Streak. Would need more testing to determine whether CSD makes the crits 154.5% or not. As mentioned in the Rawr thread, it does not create motes on Living Bomb tick critical strikes, but does on any other crit (including Molten Armor crits when you get hit, Living Bomb explosion, and the usual direct damage spells).
Increased spelldamage to the target via debuff does seem to work, however. In a 5-man with a ret pally giving +3% damage it was hitting slightly above the normal damage range, and in raid significantly higher than the normal damage range, indicating 13% from CoE also works. It does get its damage partially resisted so is subject to the usual +3 target resist effects.
Edit to below: Thanks for that info. That explains the 2420 hit I saw; that'd be near the high end for the trinket * 1.03 playing with fire * 1.03 sanctified ret * 1.13 curse of elements. Looking closer I also had a crit for 3706, which is greater than 1.5x the 2425 I'd expect the highest hit to be with that stack of buffs, indicating to me that the CSD likely does make pillars crit for 154.5% (but with such a small sample I'm loathe to make the call for certain).
Just want to confirm, new to the Elitist Jerks side of posting but have read for a bit. Just asking to confirm if the +15 Spirit enchant on chest is better for a Fire/TTW mage rather than the +10 Stats.
Just want to confirm, new to the Elitist Jerks side of posting but have read for a bit. Just asking to confirm if the +15 Spirit enchant on chest is better for a Fire/TTW mage rather than the +10 Stats.
if you have 2-piece T9 then yes. The extra 15% conversion from 15 puts that enchant over the +10 stats. You loose a little intellect and stamina, but you gain that back with the enormous amount of stam and intellect from the gear. Same goes for spirit to boots, according to RAWR. If you are hit capped, then it's better to have Greater Spirit (18 Spirit) than it is for Icewalker. However some may argue Tuskinar Vitality is better for the extra run speed which is true on the fires in ToC.
Yeah i've messed up my armory, will sort that a bit later on today tbh when realms are back up. I have Tuskinar on my boots and have the 2P set bonus so will be changing the chest enchant. Pretty much delving my Triumph badges on the T9.25 and going for Merlins Robe.
In the BiS item build both the heroic and normal mode version of [Reign of the Dead] are included and even though they both stack I am curious as to how they work with each other and if there is any way to test this at the moment with only 2 guilds having 25 man heroic mode down. More specifically since both procs have the same name but different damage does one overwrite the other or do they both work in conjunction (i.e. one crit applies a charge to both, 3 crits and they both go off)?
It's all speculation right now but since they both have different names for the buff they give (one is motes and the other says shards, they aren't same name different damage like you just said) it's assumed the stacking happens seperately for both trinkets, and that they each share crits.
I've updated my original post, as Kavan has made some improvements to the proc modeling code, with the result that the value of Reign of the Dead has decreased somewhat. It was overvalued before. Both versions are still better than Flare, though.
BIS Fire T9 20/51/0 10232.86dps 10792.25dps as Arcane
BIS Arcane T9 57/3/11 11076.69dps
FFB, Rawr Standard 0/53/18 9681.15- no Focus 9971.80 - Focus Magic self-buff
EDIT: Btw Enthorn, feel free to paste my stuff into the first page of the thread, or reformat it to have nicer item links and things if you like. I don't care what you do with it. I just noticed you erased the old Ulduar stuff.
I've updated my original post, as Kavan has made some improvements to the proc modeling code, with the result that the value of Reign of the Dead has decreased somewhat. It was overvalued before. Both versions are still better than Flare, though.
BIS Fire T9 20/51/0 10232.86dps 10792.25dps as Arcane
BIS Arcane T9 57/3/11 11076.69dps
FFB, Rawr Standard 0/53/18 9681.15- no Focus 9971.80 - Focus Magic self-buff
EDIT: Btw Enthorn, feel free to paste my stuff into the first page of the thread, or reformat it to have nicer item links and things if you like. I don't care what you do with it. I just noticed you erased the old Ulduar stuff.
some interesting information regarding [Reign of the Dead] appeared on mmo-champion Patch 3.2 PTR Build 10433
Reign of the Dead / Reign of the Unliving now only procs from non-periodic spell critical strike.
i.e. will not proc from living bomb ticks
edit: seems this 2 min thing is only a parsing error on mmo-champion
{
the database entry was updated, too. now showing a cooldown of 2 min for the proc Reign of the Dead - Items - Sigrie
}
I guess this must be a mistake, since this change would render this trinket basically useless.
It's like having a trinket with 150 spelldamage and a little gimmick effect.
I just did some very quick testing after transferring my charcter for the 3rd time to the ptrs and after about 5 min, I can assure you there is certainly no internal cd! Not 2 mins, not more than 6 seconds in most cases with my extremely high crit rate lol.
Edit: Referring to Reign of the Dead and the most recent ptr patch notes.
08/31/09, 3:58 AM
