Fairly certain there have been many posts stating that it would be basically the same list, just substitute the lower ilevel items. You can confirm with Rawr.
Fairly certain there have been many posts stating that it would be basically the same list, just substitute the lower ilevel items. You can confirm with Rawr.
I am not so sure this is the case, a i245 list to me would include 10 man, 10 man heroic and 25 man normal, those are the items i have reasonable access to, and i would think in a lot of cases, the 10 man heroic items are better then those you can get in 25 man regular.
***Also note that the boots used here are the alliance version. This is due to the horde version missing the red socket (assuming in error and will be fixed).***
Arcane (57/3/11) - This does use 3/3 Incanters Absorption and assumes current 3.2.2 changes.
p.s. Also as I am (relatively) new to these forums, would someone please tell me how to link spells in replies? I noticed [SPELL] dosen`t work. (I am talking about to the 2 proffesion enchants, Lightweave and Accelerators in particular here)
Last edited by Drakonikamage : 09/12/09 at 2:36 PM.
Talked to a GM tonight while he was replacing my wand and asked him if he could confirm whether reign of unliving stacks with its heroic version. He said by speculation and looking around that he believed the unique means that you can only equip one of the two.
A friend found this picture seemingly confirming that both versions of Death's Verdict (and their respective procs) stack, contradicting the GM conversation with Gtef whose logic dictated that they could not exist at the same time on the same player.
Does this settle it once and for all? Does it confuse the matter further? I'll let you be the judge, but until I see a screenshot or read a first hand report of both Reign of the Unliving working in tandem, I'm reluctant to accept Flare of the Heavens being 2nd bis.
I can confirm that both versions of Talisman of Volatile Power can be equipped on the same player at the same time, extrapolating on this tells us this should be the case for Reign of the Unliving/Dead as well.
Both procc effects should work simultaneously as the buff names are different for normal and heroic version(mote of flame versus shard of flame).
You can stack both Reign of the Dead normal and heroic version, each crit give you two different buffs (Mote of Flame and Shard of Flame) and you will get double procs after the third crit (roughly 5-6k added damage).
Ok, but the point persists. Taking 3/3 SotM it's not valued right.. since the progression is +4% / +3% / +3% and a lot of people takes only 1/3
I think then it becomes a free choice since the gain under the pure dps aspect seems the same. So i'm going to prefer +10All
If I understand it right, your calculating it without molten armour glyph? To repeat other thousands of posts here, best glyphs are usually considered Molten Armour, Fireball/Frostfire, Living Bomb for Fire. If, however, you do have a fight where you scorch very much, I don`t know, somewhere like 5 stacks/minute, then you could drop MA glyph for the scorch one. 70% of 15 isn`t 8,4 it actually is 10.5. Also, 10 Intelect can`t possibly give you 1% crit chance man. You got it horribly wrong. If you don`t believe me, go and check your Rawr 15spi is ranked above 10 stas. Anyway it`s not that crucial in dps for you to get all fired up like that it`s like 7000dps with 10 stats 7025 dps with 15 spirit.
If I understand it right, your calculating it without molten armour glyph? To repeat other thousands of posts here, best glyphs are usually considered Molten Armour, Fireball/Frostfire, Living Bomb for Fire. If, however, you do have a fight where you scorch very much, I don`t know, somewhere like 5 stacks/minute, then you could drop MA glyph for the scorch one. 70% of 15 isn`t 8,4 it actually is 10.5. Also, 10 Intelect can`t possibly give you 1% crit chance man. You got it horribly wrong. If you don`t believe me, go and check your Rawr 15spi is ranked above 10 stas. Anyway it`s not that crucial in dps for you to get all fired up like that it`s like 7000dps with 10 stats 7025 dps with 15 spirit.
If you check my previous post
15Spirit with 2t9 and MA with 3/3 SotM and BoK is 18Spirit
70% of 18Spirit is 12,6SpellCriticalStrike Rating that's around 0,39% SpellCriticalStrike Chance
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Now if Enchanting +10All Stats
((11 / 166.6667) + 0,91) = ((Intellect / 166.6667) + Class Constant) = 0,07% SpellCriticalStrike Chance with BoK
10Spirit with 2t9 and MA with 3/3 SotM and BoK is 12Spirit
70% of 12Spirit is 8,4SpellCriticalStrike Rating that's around 0,25% SpellCriticalStrike Chance
Total % SpellCriticalStrike Chance = 0,07+0,25 = 0,32%
I'm considering t9+ma glyph = 70%
the only wrong thing was this formula ((11 / 166.6667) + 0,91) where i used the class costant where i should not.
Comparing
0,39% crit with 3/3 SotM BOK 2t9+ma glyph
0,32% crit with 1/3 SotM BOK 2t9+ma glyph
Who takes 3/3 SotM? So why 15spirit should be considered better : /
So? What about the Talisman of Resurgence or Scale of Fates?
The reason Flare is above both of those and Abyssal Rune is the proc is so OP is really off sets the crit that isnt as good for arcane.
Heres the order of trinkets for the ilvl 245 BiS list I posted (for arcane)
Reign of the Dead
Flare of the Heavens
Abyssal Rune
Talisman of Resurgence
Scale of Fates
Pandora's Plea
Illustration of the Dragon Soul
Embrace of the Spider
Eye of the Broodmother
Sundial of the Exiled
My understanding is that generally trinkets gain more DPS based off their proc/use effect over the base stats.
I've queried via a ticket to a GM about these differences and was told that Blizzard are aware of this and will be fixing it "as soon as possible", which most likely means that by 3.2.2 the Horde version will gain the missing socket and socket bonus.
edit:
This has already been implemented on the PTR.
With the cooldowns being all over the place as arcane (IV 2.6mins, AP 1.6mins, Trinkets 2mins, Berserking[Troll] 3mins), I'm trying to figure out the best 2 trinkets to use. I have access to:
Talisman of Resurgence
Scale of Fates
Embrace of the Spider
Eye of the Broodmother
Since Scale and Talisman put each other on a cooldown, using both seems worse then using Embrace. I could also acquire Abyssal Rune, but i have a hard time believing its as high on the list as posted above.
With the cooldowns being all over the place as arcane (IV 2.6mins, AP 1.6mins, Trinkets 2mins, Berserking[Troll] 3mins), I'm trying to figure out the best 2 trinkets to use. I have access to:
Talisman of Resurgence
Scale of Fates
Embrace of the Spider
Eye of the Broodmother
Since Scale and Talisman put each other on a cooldown, using both seems worse then using Embrace. I could also acquire Abyssal Rune, but i have a hard time believing its as high on the list as posted above.
Suggestions?
The Abyssal Rune is insanely good for Arcane. Probably the best would be Talisman of Resurgence/Abyssal Rune, but RAWR would be best used to answer this question.
Last edited by Gasillio : 09/22/09 at 10:40 PM.
Reason: spelling
With the cooldowns being all over the place as arcane (IV 2.6mins, AP 1.6mins, Trinkets 2mins, Berserking[Troll] 3mins), I'm trying to figure out the best 2 trinkets to use. I have access to:
Talisman of Resurgence
Scale of Fates
Embrace of the Spider
Eye of the Broodmother
Since Scale and Talisman put each other on a cooldown, using both seems worse then using Embrace. I could also acquire Abyssal Rune, but i have a hard time believing its as high on the list as posted above.
Suggestions?
I've been grappling with this issue myself. Same exact options available to me and I can go farm Abyssal right now.
I'm using Talisman with Scale and the CD issue annoys me. With Scales 125sp and haste Usage, I'm finding it difficult to toss it aside for ~2.2% haste all the time that Abyssal would yield. IMO Talisman is mandatory among all the choices and Eye is an easy throw out.
Hello, I was wondering about what you guys think about [Spark of Hope]. Do you think the mana reduction is a huge bonus for Arcane? It allows you to spam AB4 a lot more (almost all the time if you don't over do it). Or is it considered obselete as mana is not an issue anymore with the free MBAMs?
This is my first time posting here so apologies in advance if this post should've been in the Simple Questions/Simple Answers thread.
09/10/09, 3:32 PM
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it actually is 10.5. Also, 10 Intelect can`t possibly give you 1% crit chance man. You got it horribly wrong. If you don`t believe me, go and check your Rawr
