BioMax

Anyone calculate BiS 245lvl optimal set?

 

◊ Juravieal

Fairly certain there have been many posts stating that it would be basically the same list, just substitute the lower ilevel items. You can confirm with Rawr.

 

hugh1130

I am not so sure this is the case, a i245 list to me would include 10 man, 10 man heroic and 25 man normal, those are the items i have reasonable access to, and i would think in a lot of cases, the 10 man heroic items are better then those you can get in 25 man regular.

 

Noshei

Here is what I was able to figure out. This is with everything except 25 man Heroic loots, that means it does include 10 man tribute gear.

Fire (19/52/0)

Helm:	[Sunstrider's Hood of Triumph]	[Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Arcanum of Burning Mysteries]
Neck:	[Darkbane Amulet]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]
Shoulders:	[Sunstrider's Shoulderpads of Triumph]	[Purified Dreadstone]			[Greater Inscription of the Storm ]
Back:	Drape of the Sunreavers	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			[Scroll of Enchant Cloak - Haste]
Chest:	[Merlin's Robe]	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Scroll of Enchant Chest - Major Spirit]
Wrist:	[Felspark Bracers]	[Reckless Ametrine]			[Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Superior Spellpower]
Hands:	[Sunstrider's Gauntlets of Triumph]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			[Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower]
Waist:	[Icehowl Binding]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]
Legs:	[Sunstrider's Leggings of Triumph]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Reckless Ametrine]		[Brilliant Spellthread]
Boots:	[Sandals of the Silver Magus]***	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]		[Scroll of Enchant Boots - Icewalker]
Finger1:	[Conductive Seal]	[Purified Dreadstone]
Finger2:	[Firestorm Band]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]
Trinket1:	[Reign of the Dead]
Trinket2:	[Flare of the Heavens]
Main Hand:	[Illumination]	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Veiled Ametrine]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Scroll of Enchant Staff - Greater Spellpower]
Wand:	[Petrified Ivy Sprig]	[Reckless Ametrine]

Score: 9142.67
Hit: 364
Haste: 759
Crit: 1254
Spell Power: 3230

This is using JC and Enchant for professions.

***Also note that the boots used here are the alliance version. This is due to the horde version missing the red socket (assuming in error and will be fixed).***

Arcane (57/3/11) - This does use 3/3 Incanters Absorption and assumes current 3.2.2 changes.

Helm:	[Sunstrider's Hood of Triumph]	[Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Arcanum of Burning Mysteries]
Neck:	[Pendant of Fiery Havoc]	[Reckless Ametrine]
Shoulders:	[Sunstrider's Shoulderpads of Triumph]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			[Greater Inscription of the Storm ]
Back:	Drape of the Sunreavers	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			[Scroll of Enchant Cloak - Haste]
Chest:	[Merlin's Robe]	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]	[Scroll of Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats]
Wrist:	[Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			[Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Superior Spellpower]
Hands:	[Sunstrider's Gauntlets of Triumph]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			[Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower]
Waist:	[Icehowl Binding]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]	[Reckless Ametrine]
Legs:	[Sunstrider's Leggings of Triumph]	[Veiled Ametrine]	[Veiled Ametrine]		[Brilliant Spellthread]
Boots:	[Boots of Fiery Resolution]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Reckless Ametrine]		[Scroll of Enchant Boots - Icewalker]
Finger1:	[Conductive Seal]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]
Finger2:	[Band of the Invoker]
Trinket1:	[Reign of the Dead]
Trinket2:	[Flare of the Heavens]
Main Hand:	[Illumination]	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Reckless Ametrine]	[Scroll of Enchant Staff - Greater Spellpower]
Wand:	[Scepter of Imprisoned Souls]

Score: 9688.71
Hit: 213
Haste: 919
Crit: 1181
Spell Power: 3453.35

This is using JC and Enchant for professions.


Please note these were all computed using Rawr 2.2.14.

 

Drakonikamage

Also, here are the FFb(0/53/18) BiS ilvl 245 Items, according to rawr version 2.2.15

Helm:	[Khadgar's Gauntlets of Triumph]	[Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Arcanum of Burning Mysteries]
Neck:	[Wail of the Val'kyr]
Shoulders:	[Khadgar's Shoulderpads of Triumph]	[Purified Dreadstone]			[Greater Inscription of the Storm ]
Back:	[Shawl of the Refreshing Winds]				Lightweave Embroidery(295sp/15sec proc)
Chest:	[Merlin's Robe]	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Potent Ametrine]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Scroll of Enchant Chest - Major Spirit]
Wrist:	[Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers]	[Purified Dreadstone]			[Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Superior Spellpower]
Hands:	[Khadgar's Gauntlets of Triumph]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			Hyperspeed Accelerators(340 haste/12seconds every 1 minute)
Waist:	[Icehowl Cinch]	[Potent Ametrine]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]
Legs:	[Khadgar's Leggings of Triumph]	[Potent Ametrine]	[Potent Ametrine]		[Brilliant Spellthread]
Boots:	[Sandals of the Silver Magus]	[Purified Dreadstone]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]		[Scroll of Enchant Boots - Icewalker]
Finger1:	[Conductive Seal]	[Purified Dreadstone]
Finger2:	[Band of the Invoker]
Trinket1:	[Reign of the Dead]
Trinket2:	[Flare of the Heavens]
Main Hand:	[Blade of the Silver Disciple]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]
Off Hand:	[Symbol of Transgression]
Wand:	[Petrified Ivy Sprig]	[Potent Ametrine]

Score: 8993.77
Dps:8991.56

Stats:
Int:1435
Spi:713
Sp:3119
Crit Rating:1279(56.38%)
Haste Rating:750

Misc:
Potion Type:[Potion of Speed]
[Flame Cap]:Enabled

p.s. Also as I am (relatively) new to these forums, would someone please tell me how to link spells in replies? I noticed [SPELL] dosen`t work. (I am talking about to the 2 proffesion enchants, Lightweave and Accelerators in particular here)

 

gtef

Talked to a GM tonight while he was replacing my wand and asked him if he could confirm whether reign of unliving stacks with its heroic version. He said by speculation and looking around that he believed the unique means that you can only equip one of the two.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/79/50239827.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/317/50096174.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9950/39199895.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7051/72593859.jpg

no idea why i had my inventory open lol

So if he is right that would make the heroic version+flare of heavens BIS?

 

Skyky

Noshei, can i ask why you are enchanting the chest slot with +15Spirit for FireTotW spec?

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15Spirit with 2t9 and MA with 3/3 SotM and BoK is 18Spirit

70% of 18Spirit is 12,6SpellCriticalStrike Rating that's around 0,39% SpellCriticalStrike Chance

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Now if Enchanting +10All Stats

((11 / 166.6667) + 0,91) = ((Intellect / 166.6667) + Class Constant) = 0,98% SpellCriticalStrike Chance with BoK

10Spirit with 2t9 and MA with 3/3 SotM and BoK is 12Spirit

70% of 12Spirit is 8,4SpellCriticalStrike Rating that's around 0,25% SpellCriticalStrike Chance

Total % SpellCriticalStrike Chance = 0,98+0,25 = 1,23%

So if i'm not wrong i really don't understand why using +15Spirit for the chest Slot

 

Lucai

You shouldn't be adding 0.91 since it's the same regardless of which enchant you have.

(11 / 166.6667) = (Intellect / 166.6667) = 0.07% SpellCriticalStrike Chance with BoK
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Total % SpellCriticalStrike Chance = 0,07+0,25 = 0,32%

 

azzagachoo

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9683/dualproc.jpg

A friend found this picture seemingly confirming that both versions of Death's Verdict (and their respective procs) stack, contradicting the GM conversation with Gtef whose logic dictated that they could not exist at the same time on the same player.

Does this settle it once and for all? Does it confuse the matter further? I'll let you be the judge, but until I see a screenshot or read a first hand report of both Reign of the Unliving working in tandem, I'm reluctant to accept Flare of the Heavens being 2nd bis.

 

Skyky

Ok, but the point persists. Taking 3/3 SotM it's not valued right.. since the progression is +4% / +3% / +3% and a lot of people takes only 1/3

I think then it becomes a free choice since the gain under the pure dps aspect seems the same. So i'm going to prefer +10All

 

Slander

I can confirm that both versions of Talisman of Volatile Power can be equipped on the same player at the same time, extrapolating on this tells us this should be the case for Reign of the Unliving/Dead as well.

Both procc effects should work simultaneously as the buff names are different for normal and heroic version(mote of flame versus shard of flame).

This should be compelling enough I hope.

 

Aryu_

You can stack both Reign of the Dead normal and heroic version, each crit give you two different buffs (Mote of Flame and Shard of Flame) and you will get double procs after the third crit (roughly 5-6k added damage).

 

Drakonikamage

If I understand it right, your calculating it without molten armour glyph? To repeat other thousands of posts here, best glyphs are usually considered Molten Armour, Fireball/Frostfire, Living Bomb for Fire. If, however, you do have a fight where you scorch very much, I don`t know, somewhere like 5 stacks/minute, then you could drop MA glyph for the scorch one. 70% of 15 isn`t 8,4 it actually is 10.5. Also, 10 Intelect can`t possibly give you 1% crit chance man. You got it horribly wrong. If you don`t believe me, go and check your Rawr 15spi is ranked above 10 stas. Anyway it`s not that crucial in dps for you to get all fired up like that it`s like 7000dps with 10 stats 7025 dps with 15 spirit.

 

myztikrice

BiS for Arcane is Flare of Heavens? Are you sure?

 

Mynak

That list of BiS using Flare of the Heavens is the ilvl 245 BiS list so it only uses the Reign of the Dead that is obtainable from 25 man regular.

 

Skyky

If you check my previous post

I'm considering t9+ma glyph = 70%

the only wrong thing was this formula ((11 / 166.6667) + 0,91) where i used the class costant where i should not.

Comparing

0,39% crit with 3/3 SotM BOK 2t9+ma glyph
0,32% crit with 1/3 SotM BOK 2t9+ma glyph

Who takes 3/3 SotM? So why 15spirit should be considered better : /

 

myztikrice

So? What about the Talisman of Resurgence or Scale of Fates?

 

Noshei

The reason Flare is above both of those and Abyssal Rune is the proc is so OP is really off sets the crit that isnt as good for arcane.

Heres the order of trinkets for the ilvl 245 BiS list I posted (for arcane)
Reign of the Dead
Flare of the Heavens
Abyssal Rune
Talisman of Resurgence
Scale of Fates
Pandora's Plea
Illustration of the Dragon Soul
Embrace of the Spider
Eye of the Broodmother
Sundial of the Exiled

My understanding is that generally trinkets gain more DPS based off their proc/use effect over the base stats.

 

Virotmaglan

I was just wondering why the chaotic skyflare diamond was better for Arcane mages than the 25sp +2% intel meta. I was just wondering the math.

 

Foghorn

Just a quik fix... drakonikmage's bis 245 ffb list. First item should be the t9 helm but the t9 gloves are listed.

 

Ipsissimus

While these are by no means BiS, I figured the best place to post about them will be on the item discussion thread.

As most of us are well-aware, the Horde version [Sunreaver Magus' Sandals] lacks a red socket and +2 critical strike rating bonus
compared to the Alliance version [Sandals of the Silver Magus].

I've queried via a ticket to a GM about these differences and was told that Blizzard are aware of this and will be fixing it "as soon as possible", which most likely means that by 3.2.2 the Horde version will gain the missing socket and socket bonus.

edit:
This has already been implemented on the PTR.

 

Apokalypz

With the cooldowns being all over the place as arcane (IV 2.6mins, AP 1.6mins, Trinkets 2mins, Berserking[Troll] 3mins), I'm trying to figure out the best 2 trinkets to use. I have access to:

Talisman of Resurgence
Scale of Fates
Embrace of the Spider
Eye of the Broodmother

Since Scale and Talisman put each other on a cooldown, using both seems worse then using Embrace. I could also acquire Abyssal Rune, but i have a hard time believing its as high on the list as posted above.

Suggestions?

 

Gasillio

The Abyssal Rune is insanely good for Arcane. Probably the best would be Talisman of Resurgence/Abyssal Rune, but RAWR would be best used to answer this question.

 

Tiorda

I've been grappling with this issue myself. Same exact options available to me and I can go farm Abyssal right now.
I'm using Talisman with Scale and the CD issue annoys me. With Scales 125sp and haste Usage, I'm finding it difficult to toss it aside for ~2.2% haste all the time that Abyssal would yield. IMO Talisman is mandatory among all the choices and Eye is an easy throw out.

 

Ratikal

Hello, I was wondering about what you guys think about [Spark of Hope]. Do you think the mana reduction is a huge bonus for Arcane? It allows you to spam AB4 a lot more (almost all the time if you don't over do it). Or is it considered obselete as mana is not an issue anymore with the free MBAMs?

This is my first time posting here so apologies in advance if this post should've been in the Simple Questions/Simple Answers thread.