I don't see how Abyssal Rune is higher up the on list than Illustration, which provides passive +200 spellpower with minimal buildup time as arcane. The proc on Abyssal Rune avarages out as 107 spellpower(this is of course assuming it procs immediatly after icd is over) and the passive bonus of 84 haste isn't enough to push the trinket above passive +200 spellpower from Illustration.

It depends on your current haste and spellpower situation, 84 haste is worth more than 93 spellpower for alot of gear sets, use rawr to check your exact situation.

The big thing people tend to forget is that the value of different items varies based on the over all stats of all your gear. In a head to head contest where you have nothing but one trinket and u have abyssal rune and illustration to choose from then rune wins out. But you have to think of gear as more of a team, where just because the item isn't the best in a head to head contest with other items of its place doesn't mean that within that team it isn't the best.

As another way of looking at this look at all star games in baseball, most of the time the team that wins the world series would easily beat the all star team because the team as a whole is stronger than the best players put together without consideration of the whole.

Nice work on the BiS 245lvl list Noshei, i noticed however you said it does not contain any 25man heroic loot, i am wondering if theres any definitive BiS list using all the gear available in ToC/Ulduar etc?
Seen 2 different BiS lists and i also tried Rawr which gave me a completely different list.

Has anyone aquired both [Purified Shard of the Scale] and [Purified Shard of the Flame] to determine if the Searing Flame proc makes these trinkets worth anything?

Here is the Searing Flame proc for the 232 pair of trinkets. And this is the iLVL245 proc.

Unless the proc rate and cooldown are very favorable, they should be worse than most of our "good" trinkets as a pair.

In RAWR, I threw on the proc at 15% with 45s CD and they were 234 DPS behind IDS + Broodmother for me for fire, and 224 DPS behind IDS + Abyssal Rune for arcane.

Pretty terrible for 2 ilvl232 vs 213+219, IMO

Reign of the Dead don't proc on Living Bomb crits anymore. (Correct me if im wrong)

Typo edit*

Patch 3.2 PTR Build 10433
Reign of the Dead / Reign of the Unliving now only procs from non-periodic spell critical strike.

The only thing that was changed was the tooltip for the procs, it never procced from periodic damage.

i have a question, i currently only have access to toc 10 and toc 25 normal drops, i currently use [Barb of tarasque] as main and [Lightbane Focus] as off, i dunno if this combination would be better than [illumination] normal, i think i might change the off.

regarding geming is it always red : 23 sp, yellow : sp + haste and blue: sp + spirit?

As a rough rule of thumb, yes, but you should just plug stuff into rawr and see what it says. At some point sp/haste (theoretically) ends up better than 23sp in reds.

The 20/51 spec put full points in magic absorption and removed flame throwing.

It was generally accepted that the added resistences can definitly be a bonus and helpful to healers with large amounts of raid wide damage compared to the extra range. This was especially true during ulduar and still holds some validity with ToGC.

I do not know if he had combustion in the build at the time, but looking as to when the gear set was created and the version of rawr he was using, I'm guessing it was before the changes making combustion worth getting again.

I am trying to figure out if I should use Talisman of Resurgence or Scale of Fates alongside Illustration. I have heard Talisman is near BiS for arcane, but I have heard Scale of Fates is also way up there. I don't really need the intellect from Talisman because I don't have mana problems on fights or anything. I was wondering if the static 125 spellpower and the 2 min CD for haste would be better than the 2 min CD for 599 spellpower. I would be popping either trinket at the sametime as IV/ArcPower. I would just think that the increased haste during ArcPower from Scale would be greater than the extra 599 spellpower during these 20 seconds.

Just looking for some info on the situation. I am hoping to get Reign of Dead in the near future as well, and was planning on using Reing of Dead/Scale of Fates instead of Reing of Dead/Talisman of Resurgence.

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

Just use Rawr.


P.S. As Arcane you want to use both trinkets, both of them are more dps than the Illustration.

I talked with GM today and he confirmed that those stack, from testing it on his own character.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2525/reign.gif

I keep building an upgrade list and it keeps any 2P T8.5 over any combination of the 4P T9 - can this be? Is it really better? I currently have 2 of each and am able to buy two more of the T9 set but if it's going to downgrade me then I probably won't.

Just an FYI if you visit my profile - I have Merlin's Robe in the bank - I just don't have it on because it would break the 2P T8.

EDIT: forgot to mention - I'm FFB spec and will not consider switching to Arcane.

The set bonus -> other set bonus requires changing two pieces of equipment. When you look at the item values, Rawr values the items individually in terms of dps increase upon changing this one item. Rawr calculates set boni correctly if you use the optimizer, because it (most probably) calculates dps as a function of all available (marked) items and their combinations.
Furthermore, under "Buffs" you can see the value of 2T8 and 4T9 listed directly, regardless if you have them or not.

Thoughts on the [Talisman of Volatile Power] trinket?
Especially if it replaces the Sundial.

Talisman is a very unimpressive trinket. The thing a lot of people dont realize about trinkets is roughly 70-80% of the dps of a trinket is either the added equip or on use and not the base stats of the trinket (In most cases). With talisman, the extra effect, not the base stat bonus, is very weak. First off its a very short 20 second duration, second to gain the full effect of the haste buff you have to cast 8 total spells, without haste that takes 12 seconds, assuming perfect conditions. If you include haste you might shave off 2-4 seconds on that, so at the most, you'll have 12 seconds of the full haste effect. 12 seconds of haste is very much a junk effect over all. Now that's assuming that you have perfect conditions, throw in some lag and constantly changing boss encounters and the likely hood that you will be able to maximize the effect every time you use the trinket becomes much less likely.

Sundial is better than Volatile Power. Checked your armory and i can see you're using Eye of the Broodmother and Volatile Power, you should get Abyssel Rune from ToC5 normal, it's actually better than both your trinkets but switch it with Volatile Power.

Is "Talisman of Resurgence" any good for a arcane mage?

[Talisman of Resurgence]

Talisman of Resurgence is really a harder hole to plug. It has a pretty good proc, plus the benefit of the Int is there. Strictly speaking it is not the best one to use, but it is def better than the crit talisman. I would not personally use Resurgence unless I was having mana issues on a frequent basis, otherwise I would use a trinket with a DPS stat bonus.