Taja

Question about Rawr. I made the 10m Arcane BiS list a few posts back. This was however with a spriest in mind. I decided to make a 10m list without the misery buff ticked but it just keep giving me all the same options of gear, except that it wants to gem 12sp 10 hit everywhere till the hitcap is reached. While at first it seems like switching from [Pattern: Sandals of Consecration] to [Pattern: Deathfrost Boots] would better solve the problem. Dropping the spirit instead of switching 4 gems for hit. Any tips how to solve this?

 

Mangara

The optimizer doesn't gaurantee to find the best set. If you think you have a better one, just try it and compare the DPS to the one the optimizer found.

 

Setia

In my opinion, the Rawr optimizer is pretty good for classes with multiple caps and complicated mechanics that make the relative stat values jump around a lot (and thus, a manual approach would run a high risk of ending up in a local optimum instead of a global one).

But mages only have one stat with a cap (haste and crit could get capped, but realistically, won't). I find that I can get optimizer-like, or better-than-optimizer results, through this simple process (which I do in Rawr):

- Manually equip stuff for max DPS against a level 80 mob
- Note how big a DPS loss (against level 80 mobs) I'll take for the best (or the 2 best) hit pieces in every slot, and calculate their hit rating gained / point of DPS lost ratio
- Equip the hit items with the best tradeoffs until I reach either hit cap, or the ratio becomes worse than the Veiled Ametrine's ratio (then I gem). I may end up a few points under hit cap; check if the ratio to go over cap with a gem is higher or lower than the ratio of dps lost for being uncapped.

The only thing that remains slightly complicated is deciding which off-set piece to take. A bit of playing around fixes it.

 

cbags

Or you could just plug yourself into rawr, add your likely raid buffs, and run it. As mages gear up in ICC, the possiblity of hitting a haste softcap is pretty realistic. I think it's been stated that for a Troll mage, the number could be as low as 835 base haste. Even without any heroic ToC gear, I am at 819. When trying to calculate optimal rotations for arcane..."eyeballing it", is going to be the least accurate, by a long shot

Silent Justice, Kilrogg US

 

Kralice

First, sorry about my english
According to this numbers, if you can't DPS during the stack n° X, you loose Y% of the total proc of [Dislodged Foreign Object], normal version, for a arc mage.

X: Y
1: 1.81
2: 3.63
3: 5.45
4: 7.27
5: 9.09
6: 10.91
7: 12.73
8: 14.55
9: 16.37
10: 18.11

First question: Are this numbers right ?(that's % of current stack / total SP gains during the 20sec )
Second question: Is this trinket really interesting in ICC with "mouvement fight" ? (About how much sec of downtime dps it isn't interesting ). I mean, imagine that you need to move during stack 7 and 8, you lose something like 27% of the total SP of the trinket's proc. But maybe the little CD make it really interesting in a "mouvement fight " too ... but i'm not sure.

 

Cranberry

Other proc trinkets should have the same issues. DFO is just going to have more spiky benefit than other proc trinkets.

 

SA-Menne

In case someone is interested here's the arc BIS hm list i get for jc/engee. Dislodged being modeled as mentioned some posts before. Interestingly in contrast to the normal mode list the set legs become bis. The alternative combo of gunship captains mittens and death surgeons sleeves is only 17 dps behind so one might as well pick up these two.

Dps: 14292.66
Sequence:

Helm:	[Sanctified Bloodmage Hood]	[Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Arcanum of Burning Mysteries]
Neck:	[Blood Queen's Crimson Choker]	[Runed Dragon's Eye]
Shoulders:	[Sanctified Bloodmage Shoulderpads]	[Reckless Ametrine]			[Greater Inscription of the Storm ]
Back:	[Frostbinder's Shredded Cape]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			Springy Arochnoweave
Chest:	[Sanctified Bloodmage Robe]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Purified Dreadstone]		[Scroll of Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats]
Wrist:	[The Lady's Brittle Bracers]	[Reckless Ametrine]			[Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Superior Spellpower]
Hands:	[San'layn Ritualist Gloves]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]		Hyperspeed Accelarators
Waist:	[Crushing Coldwraith Belt]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Runed Dragon's Eye][Runed Dragon's Eye]	[Eternal Belt Buckle]
Legs:	[Sanctified Bloodmage Leggings]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Reckless Ametrine]		[Brilliant Spellthread]
Boots:	[Plague Scientist's Boots]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]		Rocket boots
Finger:	[Ring of Rapid Ascent]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]
Finger:	[Ashen Band of Endless Destruction]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]
Trinket:	[Reign of the Dead]
Trinket:	[Dislodged Foreign Object]
Main Hand:	[Bloodsurge, Kel'Thuzad's Blade of Agony]	[Runed Cardinal Ruby]			Black magic
Off Hand:	[Shadow Silk Spindle]
Wand:	[Corpse-Impaling Spike]

 

Alinth

Nice setup, tho personally for my setup (my ping, profs of tailoring/JC, etc) i found that i had the same gear list except i used [San'layn Ritualist Gloves] and [The Lady's Brittle Bracers] rather then [Gunship Captain's Mittens] and [Death Surgeon's Sleeves] which put me ahead by about 20-30 DPS.

Running your setup i was 21 points over the arcane hit cap with 3/3 Arcane Focus while swapping those 2 pieces around i was only 10 points over. My guess at the difference would be the minor gain in other stats with the reduce total of hit on my setup vs the one you've posted.

 

SA-Menne

interesting its better for engee /jc as well. Thanks for the pointer (updated accordingly). Nevertheless, the difference is as you said 20 dps so id consider the choices pretty much equal, and whatever goes around cheaper wins

 

bbies1973

I find that the out of set items (for my current arcane talents, at least) available to me favor using the set gloves and tailor crafted Leggings of Woven Death. Once again, this is my BiS, based on items available to me and my talents.
It shouldn't be viewed as the best option for everyone, as it is my own REALISTIC list based on content/gear that is available to me for my guild's capabilities. I just posted it to hopefully help someone else realize, that what's best for another, may not be best for you. You should use Rawr's "Item Set Comparison" tool, or optimizer to find you own Best Gear.
While it's nice to dream about the absolute BiS list, we would also like to dream that we will have a disc priest in our pocket keeping a constant PWS on us for IA. In reality, everyone is going to have different raid compositions, and not everyone is going to be able to farm HICC.

 

ShowXdown

No 277 Legs instead of T10? You replaced gloves with Haste+Spirit, and i am sure there are Legs with Haste+Spirit (or crit) too if i remember correct. Therefore the upgrade from Leg Offpiece would be higher. Also Rawr lists Muradins Spyglass better then Anub HM Trinket. And the more stats i get, the better muradin is, atleast in my rawr ^^

 

SA-Menne

if these legs are available then i have yet to find them but your are invited to post your result if it's better. The haste/sp and sp gemming changes at will because they are very close and if you gain as low as 10 sp one gem slot could change from sp to sp haste and vice versa. I am not sure if there is a better gemming template available but even if the difference would hardly be more then 5 dps. For this setup rawr listed rotd above muradins that's why it's posted. i'd assume that the sp on rotd gets more value the higher your haste. More then muradins crit at least or your simply using another version and muradins was modelled differently there? I was using 2.3.8.

@bbies: thats what different BIS lists like e.g. icc normal only are for. I was interested in the icc25hm BIS since that stuff should be available to me. There was a similar list posted for icc25 and yes the crafted pants are in there and a lot of poeple use them so there is sure nothing wrong with that. I am using them myself with the set gloves at the moment. But when it comes down choices like which set item an HM token to redeem for these lists are valuable to me

 

Ibaneyou

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