The Arcane thread - Page 28

Kavan · 01/29/09, 6:42 PM

Originally Posted by Peacemaker7

So I have digested the following:

...

But what about the following for a great MPS rotation:
ABar,ABx3(CC:AM)
which means cast ABar, ABx3 and repeat. If you ever see ClearCasting proc, toss AM and start over. Because CC is 10% chance and MB is 20% chance, this will usually result in a CCMBAM.

Can anybody calculate the DPS and MPS of ABar,ABx3(CC:AM)? Kavan?

Which dps rotation is the best completely depends on your mana regen. In general you should view the range of cycles in the following way. Based on active regen like evocation, gems, pots find the sustainability level. Using that see where in the range you fall, your optimal cycle pair will be the one immediately above and the one immediately below the sustainability barrier. The only exception to this comes when you add in cooldowns in which case the simplified model can no longer give you everything you need to know and it's no longer the case that only two cycles are optimal.

Can you expand a bit on the CC proc? The reason why I omitted it from the model is that if it procs you won't know until during the next spell. And it will be consumed by that spell so the only way to react to CC is by cancelling casts. Is that what you are suggesting?

Teranor · 01/29/09, 6:43 PM

Originally Posted by Peacemaker7

Put into my notation:

ABarr,ABx2[3MB:AM] standard rotation = steady as she goes
ABarr,ABx3[3MB:AM] with cooldowns = max DPS
ABarr,AB![3MB:AM] infinite mana = Die now!

Notice how the only thing changing with this nomenclature is the number of AB casts to stack.

That's makes sense to me, toss an instant spell at the begging of your rotation, that Abarr could trigger MB, just in case the next 3 AB dont.

Graci · 01/29/09, 6:48 PM

New to Arcane here. What does MBAM mean?

Guintof · 01/29/09, 6:51 PM

Originally Posted by Graci

New to Arcane here. What does MBAM mean?

It means casting Arcane Missiles when Missile Barrage procs

Teranor · 01/29/09, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by Graci

New to Arcane here. What does MBAM mean?

It should be MB AM

If Missile Barrage(MB) procs, then you cast Arcane Missiles(AM).

Graci · 01/29/09, 6:53 PM

Originally Posted by Teranor

It should be MB AM

If Missile Barrage(MB) procs, then you cast Arcane Missiles(AM).

OMG, if you knew, that has been driving me nuts! Thank you!

Guintof · 01/29/09, 6:58 PM

Originally Posted by Kavan

Which dps rotation is the best completely depends on your mana regen. In general you should view the range of cycles in the following way. Based on active regen like evocation, gems, pots find the sustainability level.

This is where I am falling short. Kavan would you mind elaborating (Or pointing to a post which explains it if one already exists) on how one finds their sustainability so they know where they fall in the cycle "table"?

I have taken a look at the dynamic cycle post and even though I have studied Markovs chains and understand quite a bit of what's in there I still got a bit lost. I am correct that it is the right post to look at or am I completely out and about here?

Raencloud · 01/29/09, 7:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dusoka

I want to run some tests on this, but I've noticed behavior like he's talking about. The Potency buff definitely disappears when missiles starts, and I don't seem to see an increased crit rate (should be over 60% easily) on CC'd AMs. Definitely need some good numbers on this.

If this is the case, though, I'd think that you would probably want to cast another AM following any AM that procs CC. The potency buff is gone either way when AM finishes, and the most damage you're going to get for no mana from that CC should be an AM cast. Can't play around with Rawr from work, but might be interesting to see if the mana savings from that could increase overall DPS in the same way manly is talking about with the ABx2 cycles.

Edit: Just saw Astraylian's response. That sounds exactly like what I was assuming was happening.

If that is in fact the case, then you wouldn't ever have Arcane Potency up after an AM (Astraylian says the last missile clears it). Therefore, the only time you will be able to react to a CC is after ABarr. If what you say is true, AM clears Arcane Potency on the original cast (negating it's effect), so you wouldn't want to cast AM again, and since ABarr was just used, you can't use ABarr again; this leaves only AB to cast which makes the whole discussion irrelevant because you will end up continuing your rotation anyway.

Peacemaker7 · 01/29/09, 7:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kavan

Which dps rotation is the best completely depends on your mana regen. In general you should view the range of cycles in the following way. Based on active regen like evocation, gems, pots find the sustainability level. Using that see where in the range you fall, your optimal cycle pair will be the one immediately above and the one immediately below the sustainability barrier. The only exception to this comes when you add in cooldowns in which case the simplified model can no longer give you everything you need to know and it's no longer the case that only two cycles are optimal.

Can you expand a bit on the CC proc? The reason why I omitted it from the model is that if it procs you won't know until during the next spell. And it will be consumed by that spell so the only way to react to CC is by cancelling casts. Is that what you are suggesting?

Kavan,

Yes, by ABar,ABx3(CC:AM) I am suggesting the usual Abar, ABx3 rotation with careful attention to CC procs instead of MB procs. When CC procs, tap forward then AM, then start the cycle over again. MB will be ticking down more often then not.

This proposed rotation seeks to optimize MPS by using CC for the most expensive (and largest damage dealing) spell. The slight loss in DPS due to reaction time is a given, but this is not meant to optimize DPS, but MPS.

What I hate is seeing CC proc on ABarr and then wasting it on the first AB. This rotation and attention to CC procs would prevent such a waste of the best mana saving proc.

Thank you for considering my suggestion Kavan.

mastakaj · 01/29/09, 7:33 PM

I never had that much trouble with mana in 25mans doing ABx3-Abarr (mbam-abarr with 0 or 3 stacks). Is the only reason for ABx2-Abarr and ABx3-mbab-Abarr on procs only because of mana or does it actually do better dps?

Is it commonplace to not cast mbam-Abarr with 0 stacks anymore, but to wait and cast it on ABx3?

Sorry but rotations have been switching back and forth lately and has me questioning some things.

renegadeofunk · 01/29/09, 7:47 PM

I've been using Simulationcraft with Wowhead to determine the dps increase of each piece of gear, but I'm starting to think its inaccurate with Arcane. I noticed that the rotation is hard coded to use Mage Armor for 57/3/11. Does that mean the scale factor for spirit (currently 0.61) is more inflated than it should be on fights where I'm using Molten Armor? I always thought 0.61 was awfully high compared to Intellect's 1.09, considering the many more benefits Int gives you over Spirit.

Would a simple calculation of 0.61 * (0.3 / 0.8) approximate Spirit's worth when using Molten Armor?

Raencloud · 01/29/09, 8:05 PM

I can confirm this "bug" (I would call it a bug) with CC. When I gain the CC and Arcane Potency buff, casting arcane missiles consumes both. The AM is free, but the Arcane Potency is removed and the missiles gain no benefit from it. If AM proc's CC and Arcane Potency on it's own, however, (via the initial cast) Arcane Potency will affect the individual missiles giving them the increases crit and at the end of the spell the Arcane Potency buff is removed. The actual CC, however, persists to the next spell.

Omnia · 01/29/09, 8:10 PM

Corollary: never MBAM right after a cooldowns macro that includes PoM, since that will also waste Potency. Use cooldowns on the 3rd (or 4th) AB.

Kavan · 01/29/09, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Guintof

This is where I am falling short. Kavan would you mind elaborating (Or pointing to a post which explains it if one already exists) on how one finds their sustainability so they know where they fall in the cycle "table"?

I have taken a look at the dynamic cycle post and even though I have studied Markovs chains and understand quite a bit of what's in there I still got a bit lost. I am correct that it is the right post to look at or am I completely out and about here?

Well you can't really use that table explicitly since it's assuming numbers for a specific gear set and regen options. I think it's best to understand the relations between those cycles to be able to make decisions on the fly. For example if your evocation gets interrupted and you're suddenly in a mana starved situation you should know what options you have available and pick appropriately to keep you up until next regen cooldown. In the end my answer would be to use Rawr to get an answer for your specific case as it will take more things into account than the simple model used to predict the optimal cycle pairs (there should be a new release soon with all the new cycles).

Dusoka · 01/29/09, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by Raencloud

If that is in fact the case, then you wouldn't ever have Arcane Potency up after an AM (Astraylian says the last missile clears it). Therefore, the only time you will be able to react to a CC is after ABarr. If what you say is true, AM clears Arcane Potency on the original cast (negating it's effect), so you wouldn't want to cast AM again, and since ABarr was just used, you can't use ABarr again; this leaves only AB to cast which makes the whole discussion irrelevant because you will end up continuing your rotation anyway.

No, you misunderstand me. I'm saying that because you don't have potency due to the first AM consuming it, this is the only time you can cast AM on a CC without it being a bad idea from wasting potency. Thus, in that situation, the only gains possible are from either using our most expensive spell mana-free or (if possible) clipping a barrage to receive the Potency buff rather than the last missile.

dedmonwakeen · 01/29/09, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by renegadeofunk

I've been using Simulationcraft with Wowhead to determine the dps increase of each piece of gear, but I'm starting to think its inaccurate with Arcane. I noticed that the rotation is hard coded to use Mage Armor for 57/3/11. Does that mean the scale factor for spirit (currently 0.61) is more inflated than it should be on fights where I'm using Molten Armor? I always thought 0.61 was awfully high compared to Intellect's 1.09, considering the many more benefits Int gives you over Spirit.

Would a simple calculation of 0.61 * (0.3 / 0.8) approximate Spirit's worth when using Molten Armor?

Someday soon I'll make it easy for people to push single-player profiles through the sim so that they can easily get custom scale-factor generation.

Until then, Rawr.Mage is by far your best avenue to personalized analysis........

Probably even "after then", too.

Kavan · 01/30/09, 6:58 AM

Well it looks like I have some explaining to do. It appears I had a typo when I was typing in the transition matrix (the meaning of the typo was that it treated barrage procs at 1 stack as not yet visible, even if they should be, so there wasn't any error in cast distribution, just in spell selection logic). It didn't have any effect on the top optimal cycles, but it changes optimality in the lower mps range. Luckily I found this out right in time to add the missing optimal cycles to 2.1.9 release of Rawr (like almost not in time). Additionally I added a button in the advanced section that will compute the optimal range of cycles for your gear (using the control string notation I described before) so you can check if maybe some cycle is optimal for you that is not currently in the list used by Rawr.

The optimal cycles are (using the new Rawr notation, kind of a mix of some suggestions from here):

ABSpam03C (AB spam, MBAM-ABar at 0 or 3 stack): 5028.084 dps, 412.3207 mps
ABSpam3C (AB spam, MBAM-ABar at 3 stack): 5013.697 dps, 395.6343 mps
AB3ABar3C (ABx3-ABar, MBAM-ABar at 3 stack): 4801.682 dps, 237.0959 mps
ABABar3C (AB-ABar, MBAM-ABar at 3 stack): 4668.696 dps, 181.7985 mps
ABABar2C (AB-ABar, MBAM-ABar at 2 stack): 4566.665 dps, 145.9942 mps
ABABar2MBAM (AB-ABar, MBAM at 2 stack): 4500.556 dps, 128.9478 mps
ABABar1MBAM (AB-ABar, MBAM at 1 stack): 4445.778 dps, 116.023 mps
ABAM (AB-AM): 3743.657 dps, 73.89004 mps

And here's all unique cycles if someone wants to compare:

000000000:
4873 dps
667.0336 mps
AB3:	100.00%

000000001:
4375.217 dps
225.4426 mps
AB0:	25.00%
AB1:	25.00%
AB2:	25.00%
ABar3:	25.00%

000000002:
5025.849 dps
429.1485 mps
AB0:	13.89%
AB1:	13.89%
AB2:	13.89%
AB3:	44.44%
MBAM3:	13.89%

000000012:
4765.28 dps
232.0735 mps
AB0:	25.00%
AB1:	25.00%
AB2:	25.00%
ABar3:	13.00%
MBAM3:	12.00%

000000022:
4590.732 dps
198.9034 mps
AB0:	25.00%
AB1:	25.00%
AB2:	25.00%
AM3:	12.80%
MBAM3:	12.20%

000000100:
4193.525 dps
143.5273 mps
AB0:	33.33%
AB1:	33.33%
ABar2:	33.33%

000000201:
4777.002 dps
363.0865 mps
AB0:	19.15%
AB1:	19.15%
AB2:	8.51%
MBAM2:	10.64%
AB3:	34.04%
ABar3:	8.51%

000000202:
5015.028 dps
428.8401 mps
AB0:	14.29%
AB1:	14.29%
AB2:	11.43%
MBAM2:	2.86%
AB3:	45.71%
MBAM3:	11.43%

000000211:
4635.936 dps
204.9311 mps
AB0:	27.97%
AB1:	27.97%
AB2:	16.09%
MBAM2:	11.88%
ABar3:	16.09%

000000212:
4700.472 dps
210.9928 mps
AB0:	27.40%
AB1:	27.40%
AB2:	17.81%
MBAM2:	9.58%
ABar3:	14.25%
MBAM3:	3.56%

000000221:
4501.846 dps
183.7065 mps
AB0:	27.10%
AB1:	27.10%
AB2:	18.69%
MBAM2:	8.41%
ABar3:	3.74%
AM3:	11.96%
MBAM3:	2.99%

000000222:
4552.713 dps
187.6397 mps
AB0:	26.32%
AB1:	26.32%
AB2:	21.05%
MBAM2:	5.26%
AM3:	13.47%
MBAM3:	7.58%

000001002:
4653.748 dps
189.3474 mps
AB0:	29.60%
AB1:	29.60%
AB2:	11.21%
ABar2:	18.38%
MBAM3:	11.21%

000001200:
4550.752 dps
154.96 mps
AB0:	33.33%
AB1:	33.33%
ABar2:	20.70%
MBAM2:	12.63%

000002002:
4273.017 dps
137.7491 mps
AB0:	31.25%
AB1:	31.25%
AB2:	6.25%
AM2:	20.00%
MBAM2:	5.00%
MBAM3:	6.25%

000002200:
4210.187 dps
120.9661 mps
AB0:	33.33%
AB1:	33.33%
AM2:	21.33%
MBAM2:	12.00%

000010000:
4126.035 dps
100.7045 mps
AB0:	50.00%
ABar1:	50.00%

000020001:
4735.036 dps
368.8326 mps
AB0:	21.74%
AB1:	10.87%
MBAM1:	10.87%
AB2:	10.87%
AB3:	34.78%
ABar3:	10.87%

000020011:
4569.495 dps
207.0533 mps
AB0:	30.70%
AB1:	19.30%
MBAM1:	11.40%
AB2:	19.30%
ABar3:	19.30%

000020012:
4725.372 dps
221.7594 mps
AB0:	27.58%
AB1:	22.42%
MBAM1:	5.16%
AB2:	22.42%
ABar3:	14.35%
MBAM3:	8.07%

000020021:
4458.553 dps
187.6015 mps
AB0:	28.81%
AB1:	21.19%
MBAM1:	7.63%
AB2:	21.19%
ABar3:	7.63%
AM3:	10.85%
MBAM3:	2.71%

000020101:
4732.344 dps
367.1816 mps
AB0:	22.22%
AB1:	11.11%
MBAM1:	11.11%
AB2:	8.89%
ABar2:	2.22%
AB3:	35.56%
ABar3:	8.89%

000020102:
4960.586 dps
414.3267 mps
AB0:	16.22%
AB1:	13.51%
MBAM1:	2.70%
AB2:	10.81%
ABar2:	2.70%
AB3:	43.24%
MBAM3:	10.81%

000020111:
4557.247 dps
196.9194 mps
AB0:	31.93%
AB1:	20.08%
MBAM1:	11.85%
AB2:	16.06%
ABar2:	4.02%
ABar3:	16.06%

000020112:
4623.818 dps
202.664 mps
AB0:	30.69%
AB1:	21.46%
MBAM1:	9.23%
AB2:	17.16%
ABar2:	4.29%
ABar3:	13.73%
MBAM3:	3.43%

000020121:
4442.413 dps
177.2227 mps
AB0:	30.09%
AB1:	22.12%
MBAM1:	7.96%
AB2:	17.70%
ABar2:	4.42%
ABar3:	3.54%
AM3:	11.33%
MBAM3:	2.83%

000020122:
4498.672 dps
181.5269 mps
AB0:	28.57%
AB1:	23.81%
MBAM1:	4.76%
AB2:	19.05%
ABar2:	4.76%
AM3:	12.19%
MBAM3:	6.86%

000020201:
4769.37 dps
377.5872 mps
AB0:	20.93%
AB1:	11.63%
MBAM1:	9.30%
AB2:	9.30%
MBAM2:	2.33%
AB3:	37.21%
ABar3:	9.30%

000020211:
4615.819 dps
204.209 mps
AB0:	30.35%
AB1:	21.83%
MBAM1:	8.52%
AB2:	17.46%
MBAM2:	4.37%
ABar3:	17.46%

000020212:
4691.539 dps
210.8872 mps
AB0:	28.88%
AB1:	23.47%
MBAM1:	5.41%
AB2:	18.78%
MBAM2:	4.69%
ABar3:	15.02%
MBAM3:	3.76%

000020221:
4489.358 dps
182.6797 mps
AB0:	28.16%
AB1:	24.27%
MBAM1:	3.88%
AB2:	19.42%
MBAM2:	4.85%
ABar3:	3.88%
AM3:	12.43%
MBAM3:	3.11%

000021001:
4477.955 dps
160.9638 mps
AB0:	35.63%
AB1:	23.95%
MBAM1:	11.69%
AB2:	4.79%
ABar2:	19.16%
ABar3:	4.79%

000021002:
4574.619 dps
166.5879 mps
AB0:	34.11%
AB1:	26.48%
MBAM1:	7.63%
AB2:	5.30%
ABar2:	21.19%
MBAM3:	5.30%

000021100:
4457.185 dps
145.4302 mps
AB0:	37.42%
AB1:	25.15%
MBAM1:	12.27%
ABar2:	25.15%

000021200:
4523.845 dps
149.86 mps
AB0:	36.02%
AB1:	27.96%
MBAM1:	8.05%
ABar2:	22.37%
MBAM2:	5.59%

000022001:
4207.824 dps
134.8421 mps
AB0:	33.33%
AB1:	27.78%
MBAM1:	5.56%
AB2:	5.56%
AM2:	17.78%
MBAM2:	4.44%
ABar3:	5.56%

000022100:
4175.05 dps
119.2951 mps
AB0:	35.29%
AB1:	29.41%
MBAM1:	5.88%
ABar2:	5.88%
AM2:	18.82%
MBAM2:	4.71%

000100001:
4789.709 dps
417.8658 mps
AB0:	12.20%
MBAM0:	12.20%
AB1:	12.20%
AB2:	12.20%
AB3:	39.02%
ABar3:	12.20%

000100011:
4606.223 dps
238.1226 mps
AB0:	21.78%
MBAM0:	12.86%
AB1:	21.78%
AB2:	21.78%
ABar3:	21.78%

000100012:
4749.522 dps
235.4124 mps
AB0:	23.64%
MBAM0:	5.45%
AB1:	23.64%
AB2:	23.64%
ABar3:	15.13%
MBAM3:	8.51%

000100021:
4470.089 dps
203.0558 mps
AB0:	22.94%
MBAM0:	8.26%
AB1:	22.94%
AB2:	22.94%
ABar3:	8.26%
AM3:	11.74%
MBAM3:	2.94%

000100101:
4788.1 dps
417.286 mps
AB0:	12.50%
MBAM0:	12.50%
AB1:	12.50%
AB2:	10.00%
ABar2:	2.50%
AB3:	40.00%
ABar3:	10.00%

000100102:
4978.925 dps
426.3687 mps
AB0:	13.89%
MBAM0:	2.78%
AB1:	13.89%
AB2:	11.11%
ABar2:	2.78%
AB3:	44.44%
MBAM3:	11.11%

000100111:
4594.002 dps
228.0463 mps
AB0:	22.78%
MBAM0:	13.45%
AB1:	22.78%
AB2:	18.22%
ABar2:	4.56%
ABar3:	18.22%

000100112:
4658.626 dps
226.563 mps
AB0:	23.64%
MBAM0:	10.17%
AB1:	23.64%
AB2:	18.91%
ABar2:	4.73%
ABar3:	15.13%
MBAM3:	3.78%

000100121:
4453.17 dps
192.5336 mps
AB0:	24.04%
MBAM0:	8.65%
AB1:	24.04%
AB2:	19.23%
ABar2:	4.81%
ABar3:	3.85%
AM3:	12.31%
MBAM3:	3.08%

000100122:
4507.339 dps
190.4196 mps
AB0:	25.00%
MBAM0:	5.00%
AB1:	25.00%
AB2:	20.00%
ABar2:	5.00%
AM3:	12.80%
MBAM3:	7.20%

000100201:
4818.666 dps
419.4442 mps
AB0:	12.82%
MBAM0:	10.26%
AB1:	12.82%
AB2:	10.26%
MBAM2:	2.56%
AB3:	41.03%
ABar3:	10.26%

000100211:
4646.789 dps
226.1804 mps
AB0:	23.86%
MBAM0:	9.32%
AB1:	23.86%
AB2:	19.09%
MBAM2:	4.77%
ABar3:	19.09%

000100212:
4714.906 dps
224.5998 mps
AB0:	24.81%
MBAM0:	5.72%
AB1:	24.81%
AB2:	19.85%
MBAM2:	4.96%
ABar3:	15.88%
MBAM3:	3.97%

000100221:
4495.99 dps
189.8762 mps
AB0:	25.25%
MBAM0:	4.04%
AB1:	25.25%
AB2:	20.20%
MBAM2:	5.05%
ABar3:	4.04%
AM3:	12.93%
MBAM3:	3.23%

000101001:
4503.078 dps
186.8467 mps
AB0:	27.11%
MBAM0:	13.23%
AB1:	27.11%
AB2:	5.42%
ABar2:	21.69%
ABar3:	5.42%

000101002:
4598.776 dps
182.9665 mps
AB0:	28.67%
MBAM0:	8.26%
AB1:	28.67%
AB2:	5.73%
ABar2:	22.94%
MBAM3:	5.73%

000101100:
4480.661 dps
170.5386 mps
AB0:	28.67%
MBAM0:	13.99%
AB1:	28.67%
ABar2:	28.67%

000101200:
4544.717 dps
165.7212 mps
AB0:	30.41%
MBAM0:	8.76%
AB1:	30.41%
ABar2:	24.33%
MBAM2:	6.08%

000102001:
4202.726 dps
142.4404 mps
AB0:	29.41%
MBAM0:	5.88%
AB1:	29.41%
AB2:	5.88%
AM2:	18.82%
MBAM2:	4.71%
ABar3:	5.88%

000102100:
4167.918 dps
126.4666 mps
AB0:	31.25%
MBAM0:	6.25%
AB1:	31.25%
ABar2:	6.25%
AM2:	20.00%
MBAM2:	5.00%

001000012:
4521.313 dps
212.8061 mps
AB0:	23.08%
AM0:	7.68%
AB1:	23.08%
AB2:	23.08%
ABar3:	12.00%
MBAM3:	11.07%

001000211:
4410.309 dps
189.5791 mps
AB0:	25.84%
AM0:	7.61%
AB1:	25.84%
AB2:	14.87%
MBAM2:	10.97%
ABar3:	14.87%

001000212:
4445.9 dps
193.4077 mps
AB0:	25.11%
AM0:	8.36%
AB1:	25.11%
AB2:	16.32%
MBAM2:	8.78%
ABar3:	13.06%
MBAM3:	3.26%

001001002:
4344.703 dps
171.6343 mps
AB0:	26.48%
AM0:	10.53%
AB1:	26.48%
AB2:	10.03%
ABar2:	16.45%
MBAM3:	10.03%

001001200:
4231.073 dps
142.862 mps
AB0:	29.43%
AM0:	11.70%
AB1:	29.43%
ABar2:	18.28%
MBAM2:	11.15%

001020011:
4358.7 dps
191.7654 mps
AB0:	28.45%
AM0:	7.33%
AB1:	17.89%
MBAM1:	10.56%
AB2:	17.89%
ABar3:	17.89%

001020012:
4465.3 dps
202.3575 mps
AB0:	25.26%
AM0:	8.41%
AB1:	20.53%
MBAM1:	4.73%
AB2:	20.53%
ABar3:	13.14%
MBAM3:	7.39%

001020111:
4340.439 dps
182.5597 mps
AB0:	29.50%
AM0:	7.60%
AB1:	18.55%
MBAM1:	10.95%
AB2:	14.84%
ABar2:	3.71%
ABar3:	14.84%

001020112:
4385.754 dps
186.6894 mps
AB0:	28.21%
AM0:	8.08%
AB1:	19.72%
MBAM1:	8.49%
AB2:	15.78%
ABar2:	3.94%
ABar3:	12.62%
MBAM3:	3.16%

001020211:
4375.97 dps
187.7878 mps
AB0:	27.86%
AM0:	8.21%
AB1:	20.04%
MBAM1:	7.82%
AB2:	16.03%
MBAM2:	4.01%
ABar3:	16.03%

001020212:
4426.248 dps
192.477 mps
AB0:	26.34%
AM0:	8.77%
AB1:	21.41%
MBAM1:	4.93%
AB2:	17.13%
MBAM2:	4.28%
ABar3:	13.70%
MBAM3:	3.43%

001021001:
4189.142 dps
148.2141 mps
AB0:	31.74%
AM0:	10.92%
AB1:	21.33%
MBAM1:	10.41%
AB2:	4.27%
ABar2:	17.06%
ABar3:	4.27%

001021002:
4243.317 dps
151.6602 mps
AB0:	30.04%
AM0:	11.94%
AB1:	23.32%
MBAM1:	6.72%
AB2:	4.66%
ABar2:	18.66%
MBAM3:	4.66%

001021100:
4160.281 dps
135.4926 mps
AB0:	33.16%
AM0:	11.41%
AB1:	22.28%
MBAM1:	10.87%
ABar2:	22.28%

001021200:
4188.843 dps
138.1343 mps
AB0:	31.51%
AM0:	12.52%
AB1:	24.46%
MBAM1:	7.05%
ABar2:	19.57%
MBAM2:	4.89%

001100011:
4364.7 dps
216.0878 mps
AB0:	20.00%
AM0:	8.19%
MBAM0:	11.81%
AB1:	20.00%
AB2:	20.00%
ABar3:	20.00%

001100012:
4472.891 dps
212.8022 mps
AB0:	21.55%
AM0:	8.83%
MBAM0:	4.97%
AB1:	21.55%
AB2:	21.55%
ABar3:	13.79%
MBAM3:	7.76%

001100111:
4344.444 dps
206.7632 mps
AB0:	20.83%
AM0:	8.53%
MBAM0:	12.30%
AB1:	20.83%
AB2:	16.67%
ABar2:	4.17%
ABar3:	16.67%

001100112:
4392.883 dps
205.083 mps
AB0:	21.55%
AM0:	8.83%
MBAM0:	9.28%
AB1:	21.55%
AB2:	17.24%
ABar2:	4.31%
ABar3:	13.79%
MBAM3:	3.45%

001100211:
4381.653 dps
204.6519 mps
AB0:	21.74%
AM0:	8.90%
MBAM0:	8.49%
AB1:	21.74%
AB2:	17.39%
MBAM2:	4.35%
ABar3:	17.39%

001100212:
4432.205 dps
202.8806 mps
AB0:	22.52%
AM0:	9.23%
MBAM0:	5.19%
AB1:	22.52%
AB2:	18.02%
MBAM2:	4.50%
ABar3:	14.41%
MBAM3:	3.60%

001101001:
4175.662 dps
166.6613 mps
AB0:	23.81%
AM0:	12.19%
MBAM0:	11.62%
AB1:	23.81%
AB2:	4.76%
ABar2:	19.05%
ABar3:	4.76%

001101002:
4238.863 dps
163.1074 mps
AB0:	25.00%
AM0:	12.80%
MBAM0:	7.20%
AB1:	25.00%
AB2:	5.00%
ABar2:	20.00%
MBAM3:	5.00%

001101100:
4142.706 dps
153.3253 mps
AB0:	25.00%
AM0:	12.80%
MBAM0:	12.20%
AB1:	25.00%
ABar2:	25.00%

001101200:
4180.218 dps
149.1775 mps
AB0:	26.32%
AM0:	13.47%
MBAM0:	7.58%
AB1:	26.32%
ABar2:	21.05%
MBAM2:	5.26%

010000002:
4607 dps
165.5761 mps
AB0:	39.53%
AB1:	10.47%
ABar1:	29.07%
AB2:	10.47%
MBAM3:	10.47%

010000200:
4500.556 dps
128.9478 mps
AB0:	44.16%
AB1:	11.69%
ABar1:	32.47%
MBAM2:	11.69%

010020000:
4445.778 dps
116.023 mps
AB0:	50.00%
ABar1:	36.76%
MBAM1:	13.24%

010100000:
4470.896 dps
139.7538 mps
AB0:	42.37%
MBAM0:	15.25%
ABar1:	42.37%

011000002:
4167.809 dps
146.5015 mps
AB0:	33.33%
AM0:	15.69%
AB1:	8.82%
ABar1:	24.51%
AB2:	8.82%
MBAM3:	8.82%

011000200:
4054.817 dps
119.6872 mps
AB0:	36.56%
AM0:	17.20%
AB1:	9.68%
ABar1:	26.88%
MBAM2:	9.68%

011020000:
3974.232 dps
110.3193 mps
AB0:	40.48%
AM0:	19.05%
ABar1:	29.76%
MBAM1:	10.71%

011100000:
3936.925 dps
124.2502 mps
AB0:	33.33%
AM0:	21.33%
MBAM0:	12.00%
ABar1:	33.33%

020000000:
3743.657 dps
73.89004 mps
AB0:	50.00%
AM1:	40.00%
MBAM1:	10.00%

100000002:
5013.697 dps
395.6343 mps
AB0:	13.23%
ABar0:	13.23%
AB1:	13.23%
AB2:	13.23%
AB3:	33.86%
MBAM3:	13.23%

100000012:
4801.682 dps
237.0959 mps
AB0:	22.05%
ABar0:	11.81%
AB1:	22.05%
AB2:	22.05%
ABar3:	10.24%
MBAM3:	11.81%

100000022:
4696.618 dps
216.0878 mps
AB0:	20.00%
ABar0:	20.00%
AB1:	20.00%
AB2:	20.00%
AM3:	8.19%
MBAM3:	11.81%

100000201:
4793.503 dps
343.9868 mps
AB0:	17.98%
ABar0:	10.96%
AB1:	17.98%
AB2:	7.02%
MBAM2:	10.96%
AB3:	28.07%
ABar3:	7.02%

100000202:
4993.058 dps
393.2936 mps
AB0:	13.89%
ABar0:	13.89%
AB1:	13.89%
AB2:	8.89%
MBAM2:	5.00%
AB3:	35.56%
MBAM3:	8.89%

100000211:
4677.315 dps
208.9651 mps
AB0:	25.00%
ABar0:	12.00%
AB1:	25.00%
AB2:	13.00%
MBAM2:	12.00%
ABar3:	13.00%

100000212:
4733.947 dps
214.2965 mps
AB0:	24.29%
ABar0:	13.01%
AB1:	24.29%
AB2:	14.10%
MBAM2:	10.19%
ABar3:	11.28%
MBAM3:	2.82%

100000221:
4597.307 dps
195.0074 mps
AB0:	22.45%
ABar0:	19.90%
AB1:	22.45%
AB2:	12.74%
MBAM2:	9.71%
ABar3:	2.55%
AM3:	8.15%
MBAM3:	2.04%

100000222:
4641.726 dps
198.7249 mps
AB0:	21.55%
ABar0:	21.55%
AB1:	21.55%
AB2:	13.79%
MBAM2:	7.76%
AM3:	8.83%
MBAM3:	4.97%

100001002:
4708.456 dps
201.7105 mps
AB0:	25.87%
ABar0:	11.19%
AB1:	25.87%
AB2:	11.19%
ABar2:	14.68%
MBAM3:	11.19%

100001200:
4609.714 dps
167.9061 mps
AB0:	29.13%
ABar0:	12.60%
AB1:	29.13%
ABar2:	16.53%
MBAM2:	12.60%

100002002:
4492.807 dps
176.4687 mps
AB0:	22.94%
ABar0:	22.94%
AB1:	22.94%
AB2:	8.26%
AM2:	11.74%
MBAM2:	2.94%
MBAM3:	8.26%

100002200:
4412.739 dps
153.3253 mps
AB0:	25.00%
ABar0:	25.00%
AB1:	25.00%
AM2:	12.80%
MBAM2:	12.20%

100020001:
4755.73 dps
351.7363 mps
AB0:	20.55%
ABar0:	11.42%
AB1:	9.13%
MBAM1:	11.42%
AB2:	9.13%
AB3:	29.22%
ABar3:	9.13%

100020002:
5006.817 dps
399.7241 mps
AB0:	13.97%
ABar0:	13.97%
AB1:	11.17%
MBAM1:	2.79%
AB2:	11.17%
AB3:	35.75%
MBAM3:	11.17%

100020011:
4614.116 dps
210.6003 mps
AB0:	27.97%
ABar0:	11.88%
AB1:	16.09%
MBAM1:	11.88%
AB2:	16.09%
ABar3:	16.09%

100020012:
4751.654 dps
223.4984 mps
AB0:	25.08%
ABar0:	13.43%
AB1:	18.20%
MBAM1:	6.88%
AB2:	18.20%
ABar3:	11.65%
MBAM3:	6.55%

100020021:
4547.011 dps
196.7679 mps
AB0:	24.88%
ABar0:	19.32%
AB1:	15.46%
MBAM1:	9.43%
AB2:	15.46%
ABar3:	5.56%
AM3:	7.91%
MBAM3:	1.98%

100020022:
4658.926 dps
206.4994 mps
AB0:	21.74%
ABar0:	21.74%
AB1:	17.39%
MBAM1:	4.35%
AB2:	17.39%
AM3:	8.90%
MBAM3:	8.49%

100020101:
4753.804 dps
349.9518 mps
AB0:	20.93%
ABar0:	11.63%
AB1:	9.30%
MBAM1:	11.63%
AB2:	7.44%
ABar2:	1.86%
AB3:	29.77%
ABar3:	7.44%

100020102:
4951.49 dps
387.5203 mps
AB0:	15.85%
ABar0:	13.66%
AB1:	10.93%
MBAM1:	4.92%
AB2:	8.74%
ABar2:	2.19%
AB3:	34.97%
MBAM3:	8.74%

100020111:
4605.257 dps
202.0221 mps
AB0:	28.90%
ABar0:	12.27%
AB1:	16.63%
MBAM1:	12.27%
AB2:	13.30%
ABar2:	3.33%
ABar3:	13.30%

100020112:
4664.448 dps
207.1786 mps
AB0:	27.71%
ABar0:	12.96%
AB1:	17.56%
MBAM1:	10.15%
AB2:	14.05%
ABar2:	3.51%
ABar3:	11.24%
MBAM3:	2.81%

100020121:
4537.102 dps
188.8397 mps
AB0:	25.68%
ABar0:	19.94%
AB1:	15.95%
MBAM1:	9.73%
AB2:	12.76%
ABar2:	3.19%
ABar3:	2.55%
AM3:	8.17%
MBAM3:	2.04%

100020122:
4585.357 dps
192.7242 mps
AB0:	24.37%
ABar0:	21.01%
AB1:	16.81%
MBAM1:	7.56%
AB2:	13.45%
ABar2:	3.36%
AM3:	8.61%
MBAM3:	4.84%

100020201:
4786.631 dps
358.39 mps
AB0:	19.81%
ABar0:	12.08%
AB1:	9.66%
MBAM1:	10.14%
AB2:	7.73%
MBAM2:	1.93%
AB3:	30.92%
ABar3:	7.73%

100020202:
4997.201 dps
398.7513 mps
AB0:	14.29%
ABar0:	14.29%
AB1:	11.43%
MBAM1:	2.86%
AB2:	9.14%
MBAM2:	2.29%
AB3:	36.57%
MBAM3:	9.14%

100020211:
4658.168 dps
208.5508 mps
AB0:	27.40%
ABar0:	13.15%
AB1:	17.81%
MBAM1:	9.58%
AB2:	14.25%
MBAM2:	3.56%
ABar3:	14.25%

100020212:
4724.257 dps
214.4126 mps
AB0:	26.03%
ABar0:	13.94%
AB1:	18.89%
MBAM1:	7.14%
AB2:	15.11%
MBAM2:	3.78%
ABar3:	12.09%
MBAM3:	3.02%

100020221:
4579.047 dps
193.7495 mps
AB0:	24.02%
ABar0:	21.29%
AB1:	17.04%
MBAM1:	6.98%
AB2:	13.63%
MBAM2:	3.41%
ABar3:	2.73%
AM3:	8.72%
MBAM3:	2.18%

100020222:
4632.073 dps
198.0896 mps
AB0:	22.52%
ABar0:	22.52%
AB1:	18.02%
MBAM1:	4.50%
AB2:	14.41%
MBAM2:	3.60%
AM3:	9.23%
MBAM3:	5.19%

100021001:
4537.194 dps
171.1317 mps
AB0:	32.01%
ABar0:	12.13%
AB1:	19.88%
MBAM1:	12.13%
AB2:	3.98%
ABar2:	15.90%
ABar3:	3.98%

100021002:
4623.876 dps
176.7072 mps
AB0:	30.45%
ABar0:	13.17%
AB1:	21.60%
MBAM1:	8.86%
AB2:	4.32%
ABar2:	17.28%
MBAM3:	4.32%

100021100:
4522.297 dps
158.3694 mps
AB0:	33.33%
ABar0:	12.63%
AB1:	20.70%
MBAM1:	12.63%
ABar2:	20.70%

100021200:
4583.739 dps
163.1693 mps
AB0:	31.83%
ABar0:	13.77%
AB1:	22.57%
MBAM1:	9.26%
ABar2:	18.06%
MBAM2:	4.51%

100022001:
4370.738 dps
158.0342 mps
AB0:	27.10%
ABar0:	23.36%
AB1:	18.69%
MBAM1:	8.41%
AB2:	3.74%
AM2:	11.96%
MBAM2:	2.99%
ABar3:	3.74%

100022002:
4429.983 dps
161.6924 mps
AB0:	25.25%
ABar0:	25.25%
AB1:	20.20%
MBAM1:	5.05%
AB2:	4.04%
AM2:	12.93%
MBAM2:	3.23%
MBAM3:	4.04%

100022100:
4352.255 dps
147.1846 mps
AB0:	28.16%
ABar0:	24.27%
AB1:	19.42%
MBAM1:	8.74%
ABar2:	3.88%
AM2:	12.43%
MBAM2:	3.11%

100022200:
4389.993 dps
150.2722 mps
AB0:	26.32%
ABar0:	26.32%
AB1:	21.05%
MBAM1:	5.26%
AM2:	13.47%
MBAM2:	7.58%

100100001:
4819.097 dps
403.5207 mps
AB0:	10.31%
ABar0:	12.89%
MBAM0:	12.89%
AB1:	10.31%
AB2:	10.31%
AB3:	32.99%
ABar3:	10.31%

100100002:
5028.084 dps
412.3207 mps
AB0:	11.49%
ABar0:	14.37%
MBAM0:	2.87%
AB1:	11.49%
AB2:	11.49%
AB3:	36.78%
MBAM3:	11.49%

100100011:
4661.114 dps
245.1096 mps
AB0:	18.26%
ABar0:	13.48%
MBAM0:	13.48%
AB1:	18.26%
AB2:	18.26%
ABar3:	18.26%

100100012:
4788.23 dps
243.095 mps
AB0:	19.55%
ABar0:	14.43%
MBAM0:	7.39%
AB1:	19.55%
AB2:	19.55%
ABar3:	12.51%
MBAM3:	7.04%

100100021:
4572.496 dps
219.257 mps
AB0:	17.06%
ABar0:	21.33%
MBAM0:	10.41%
AB1:	17.06%
AB2:	17.06%
ABar3:	6.14%
AM3:	8.74%
MBAM3:	2.18%

100100022:
4674.878 dps
216.5314 mps
AB0:	18.18%
ABar0:	22.73%
MBAM0:	4.55%
AB1:	18.18%
AB2:	18.18%
AM3:	9.31%
MBAM3:	8.87%

100100101:
4818.358 dps
402.6773 mps
AB0:	10.53%
ABar0:	13.16%
MBAM0:	13.16%
AB1:	10.53%
AB2:	8.42%
ABar2:	2.11%
AB3:	33.68%
ABar3:	8.42%

100100102:
4987.071 dps
409.732 mps
AB0:	11.49%
ABar0:	14.37%
MBAM0:	5.17%
AB1:	11.49%
AB2:	9.20%
ABar2:	2.30%
AB3:	36.78%
MBAM3:	9.20%

100100111:
4652.876 dps
236.6553 mps
AB0:	18.95%
ABar0:	13.99%
MBAM0:	13.99%
AB1:	18.95%
AB2:	15.16%
ABar2:	3.79%
ABar3:	15.16%

100100112:
4710.147 dps
235.5593 mps
AB0:	19.55%
ABar0:	14.43%
MBAM0:	11.30%
AB1:	19.55%
AB2:	15.64%
ABar2:	3.91%
ABar3:	12.51%
MBAM3:	3.13%

100100121:
4562.414 dps
211.2675 mps
AB0:	17.67%
ABar0:	22.08%
MBAM0:	10.78%
AB1:	17.67%
AB2:	14.13%
ABar2:	3.53%
ABar3:	2.83%
AM3:	9.05%
MBAM3:	2.26%

100100122:
4608.374 dps
209.8934 mps
AB0:	18.18%
ABar0:	22.73%
MBAM0:	8.18%
AB1:	18.18%
AB2:	14.55%
ABar2:	3.64%
AM3:	9.31%
MBAM3:	5.24%

100100201:
4845.695 dps
404.3641 mps
AB0:	10.75%
ABar0:	13.44%
MBAM0:	11.29%
AB1:	10.75%
AB2:	8.60%
MBAM2:	2.15%
AB3:	34.41%
ABar3:	8.60%

100100202:
5018.698 dps
411.6318 mps
AB0:	11.76%
ABar0:	14.71%
MBAM0:	2.94%
AB1:	11.76%
AB2:	9.41%
MBAM2:	2.35%
AB3:	37.65%
MBAM3:	9.41%

100100211:
4700.187 dps
235.2778 mps
AB0:	19.70%
ABar0:	14.54%
MBAM0:	10.60%
AB1:	19.70%
AB2:	15.76%
MBAM2:	3.94%
ABar3:	15.76%

100100212:
4760.14 dps
234.1198 mps
AB0:	20.34%
ABar0:	15.01%
MBAM0:	7.69%
AB1:	20.34%
AB2:	16.27%
MBAM2:	4.07%
ABar3:	13.02%
MBAM3:	3.25%

100100221:
4599.634 dps
209.542 mps
AB0:	18.32%
ABar0:	22.89%
MBAM0:	7.51%
AB1:	18.32%
AB2:	14.65%
MBAM2:	3.66%
ABar3:	2.93%
AM3:	9.38%
MBAM3:	2.34%

100100222:
4647.361 dps
208.1036 mps
AB0:	18.87%
ABar0:	23.58%
MBAM0:	4.72%
AB1:	18.87%
AB2:	15.09%
MBAM2:	3.77%
AM3:	9.66%
MBAM3:	5.43%

100101001:
4573.983 dps
200.8741 mps
AB0:	22.62%
ABar0:	13.80%
MBAM0:	13.80%
AB1:	22.62%
AB2:	4.52%
ABar2:	18.10%
ABar3:	4.52%

100101002:
4659.096 dps
197.9915 mps
AB0:	23.70%
ABar0:	14.45%
MBAM0:	9.72%
AB1:	23.70%
AB2:	4.74%
ABar2:	18.96%
MBAM3:	4.74%

100101100:
4558.606 dps
187.6019 mps
AB0:	23.70%
ABar0:	14.45%
MBAM0:	14.45%
AB1:	23.70%
ABar2:	23.70%

100101200:
4616.253 dps
184.0817 mps
AB0:	24.88%
ABar0:	15.17%
MBAM0:	10.20%
AB1:	24.88%
ABar2:	19.90%
MBAM2:	4.98%

100102001:
4376.457 dps
173.7091 mps
AB0:	20.41%
ABar0:	25.51%
MBAM0:	9.18%
AB1:	20.41%
AB2:	4.08%
AM2:	13.06%
MBAM2:	3.27%
ABar3:	4.08%

100102002:
4436.313 dps
170.8136 mps
AB0:	21.28%
ABar0:	26.60%
MBAM0:	5.32%
AB1:	21.28%
AB2:	4.26%
AM2:	13.62%
MBAM2:	3.40%
MBAM3:	4.26%

100102100:
4356.463 dps
162.4913 mps
AB0:	21.28%
ABar0:	26.60%
MBAM0:	9.57%
AB1:	21.28%
ABar2:	4.26%
AM2:	13.62%
MBAM2:	3.40%

100102200:
4394.435 dps
159.1704 mps
AB0:	22.22%
ABar0:	27.78%
MBAM0:	5.56%
AB1:	22.22%
AM2:	14.22%
MBAM2:	8.00%

101000002:
3983.032 dps
175.8971 mps
AB0:	7.69%
ABar0:	38.46%
AM0:	30.77%
AB1:	7.69%
AB2:	7.69%
MBAM3:	7.69%

101000200:
3880.456 dps
156.8409 mps
AB0:	8.33%
ABar0:	41.67%
AM0:	33.33%
AB1:	8.33%
MBAM2:	8.33%

101020000:
3804.565 dps
152.4855 mps
AB0:	9.09%
ABar0:	45.45%
AM0:	36.36%
MBAM1:	9.09%

101100000:
3762.112 dps
166.5506 mps
ABar0:	50.00%
AM0:	40.00%
MBAM0:	10.00%

110000002:
4668.696 dps
181.7985 mps
AB0:	34.12%
ABar0:	10.59%
AB1:	10.59%
ABar1:	23.53%
AB2:	10.59%
MBAM3:	10.59%

110000200:
4566.665 dps
145.9942 mps
AB0:	38.16%
ABar0:	11.84%
AB1:	11.84%
ABar1:	26.32%
MBAM2:	11.84%

110020000:
4520.057 dps
135.2304 mps
AB0:	43.28%
ABar0:	13.43%
ABar1:	29.85%
MBAM1:	13.43%

110100000:
4560.787 dps
163.9268 mps
AB0:	34.48%
ABar0:	15.52%
MBAM0:	15.52%
ABar1:	34.48%

120000002:
4221.668 dps
146.5883 mps
AB0:	29.41%
ABar0:	29.41%
AB1:	5.88%
AM1:	18.82%
MBAM1:	4.71%
AB2:	5.88%
MBAM3:	5.88%

120000200:
4152.499 dps
129.4312 mps
AB0:	31.25%
ABar0:	31.25%
AB1:	6.25%
AM1:	20.00%
MBAM1:	5.00%
MBAM2:	6.25%

120020000:
4108.792 dps
124.2502 mps
AB0:	33.33%
ABar0:	33.33%
AM1:	21.33%
MBAM1:	12.00%

120100000:
4095.605 dps
133.4249 mps
AB0:	28.57%
ABar0:	35.71%
MBAM0:	7.14%
AM1:	22.86%
MBAM1:	5.71%

200000000:
3087.859 dps
99.59786 mps
AM0:	100.00%

Astrylian · 01/30/09, 7:12 AM

Originally Posted by Kavan

Luckily I found this out right in time to add the missing optimal cycles to 2.1.9 release of Rawr (like almost not in time).

He's not kidding, either. I was mid-upload of 2.1.9, when he said 'Wait!'. Anyway, CodePlex has been doing some maintenance this morning, so if it takes a while for the Rawr site to load, and for the new version to download, that's why; please just be patient.

Systemtemp · 01/30/09, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by bludex

ok, i like thinking of damage rotations as a big if-else statement. Maybe it's my background in programming, but I just think better this way. So help me make the best DPS arcane if-else statement!

We're just going to write it without taking into account DPS cooldowns like POM, Arcane Power, Icy Veins, trinkets, Managem, and heroism. We also won't take into account innervate from druids.

If AB_debuff = 0
If ABar is off cooldown
cast ABar
else cast AB
If AB_debuff = 1
cast AB
If AB_debuff = 2
cast AB
If AB_debuff = 3
If MBar = active
cast AM
else If Evocate is off cooldown
If Mana < 40%
cast Evocate
else cast AB
else cast ABar

My only real question about the rotation is what if you have 2 stacks of the AB_Debuff and you're in the middle of casting your third and MBarr has yet to proc. I know this was mentioned earlier in this thread but I can't seem to find a definitive answer.
The 2 options I see:
After the third Arcane Blast lands, wait a split second to see if MBar procs. If it does, cast AM, if not, cast ABarr.
Just Cast ABarr and if MBar procced, oh well, just wait until you get ABx3 and cast AM.

Do we have the proof of which is better? I'm thinking of just going with the 2nd because its easier to pre-empt it.

Yey!! Someone posting C programming

Let me make it look better :P (with all due respect ofc)

if (AB_debuff == 0) {if (ABar == CD){if (Mana < 40% && Evocate != CD) {/cast Evocate;}
else {/cast AB;}
else {/cast ABar;}
}
if (AB_debuff == 1) {/cast AB;}
if (AB_debuff == 2) {/castsequence reset=combat/target AB, Abarr;}
if (AB_debuff == 3) {if (MBar == active) {/cast AM;}
else {/cast ABar;}

P.S. And If you are casting 3rd AB and MBar is not procced yet, Kavan suggested best rotation as 3rd AB (MBar Procced)-> ABarr (didnt have the time to react) -> AB -> AB -> AB -> MBAM -> ABarr -> AB -> AB ....
P.S.2 Should we evocate always if Mana < 40% and Evocate is not in CD? I think Evocation should rather be chosen by instinct.

Systemtemp · 01/30/09, 8:24 AM

I have edited the C Code by taking ABx2 -> Abarr as the main rotation.. But still when to evocate is under question.

if (MBar == active) {/castsequence reset=combat/target AB, AM;}
else {
if (AB_debuff == 0) {if (ABar == CD){if (Mana < 40% && Evocate != CD) {/cast Evocate;}
else {/cast AB;}
else {/cast ABar;}
}
if (AB_debuff == 1) {/cast AB;}
if (AB_debuff == 2) {/cast Abarr)}
}

Medusa · 01/30/09, 8:59 AM

Still have some problems with Arcane, but maybe because we realy have laggy Raids after the last 'improvements'. On most Bosses in WWS there are 5-7 Melees/Hunter top DPS, only after this we have a WL and me fighting for positions (Last Patchwerk 4200 DPS - 2 Weeks before with FFB i hav 4.7k). But meanwhile i change a little bit my equipp (More Haste/Spirit/MP5 instead of Hit/Crit).

One simply question: what class is best to give Focus magic? FFB mage? Las time i try with a Enh Schaman, it was pretty well.

I think the hardest part is still setting up mana regeneration for longer fights. But with the recent posted sugestion of using AB2Abarr i think most of us will get on it and have a good base for developing their propper rotations.

♦ nathanbp · 01/30/09, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Medusa

I think the hardest part is still setting up mana regeneration for longer fights. But with the recent posted sugestion of using AB2Abarr i think most of us will get on it and have a good base for developing their propper rotations.

Actually, according to what Kavan just posted, AB2ABar3C (Rotate ABx2-ABar, on proc, stack AB to 3 before MBAM-ABar) is no longer an optimal rotation. Instead if you can't manage AB3ABar3C you should be doing ABABar3C.

On a different subject, how are people generally starting off fights? I keep seeing people saying to save only evocate on the last tick of icy veins, but you also want to use icy veins as soon as possible. So are you spending the start of the fight doing the max dps combo, then at ~40% mana IV-AP-Gem, then use evocate and switch to a more normal cycle?

Korrigan · 01/30/09, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Kavan

The optimal cycles are (using the new Rawr notation, kind of a mix of some suggestions from here):

ABSpam03C (AB spam, MBAM-ABar at 0 or 3 stack): 5028.084 dps, 412.3207 mps
ABSpam3C (AB spam, MBAM-ABar at 3 stack): 5013.697 dps, 395.6343 mps
AB3ABar3C (ABx3-ABar, MBAM-ABar at 3 stack): 4801.682 dps, 237.0959 mps
ABABar3C (AB-ABar, MBAM-ABar at 3 stack): 4668.696 dps, 181.7985 mps
ABABar2C (AB-ABar, MBAM-ABar at 2 stack): 4566.665 dps, 145.9942 mps
ABABar2MBAM (AB-ABar, MBAM at 2 stack): 4500.556 dps, 128.9478 mps
ABABar1MBAM (AB-ABar, MBAM at 1 stack): 4445.778 dps, 116.023 mps
ABAM (AB-AM): 3743.657 dps, 73.89004 mps

What happened to AB3ABar03C?

Pintofbrew · 01/30/09, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Medusa

One simply question: what class is best to give Focus magic? FFB mage? Las time i try with a Enh Schaman, it was pretty well.

That's a very good question. It really depends if you're optimizing on one of two possible scenaria:

1) You want to have the maximum uptime for you.

2) You want the maximum Raid benefit.

In the first case, I'd suspect an E-shaman would be optimal, due to their higher cast-per-second than a FFB mage, though how much they crit to begin with may change this. Ultimately, you want to know how many crits-per-second the class generates in order to evaluate it correctly. However, an E-shaman critting will increase uptime of Elemental Oath, so now the DPS-return becomes dependent on how their buff influences your DPS too... Extremely complex.

Ultimately, I prefer to give it to whoever's struggling (for good reason that is, not whoever sucks hardest). Both E-shamans and FFB mages gain efficiency from the Crit so whoever is in the worst state with respect to mana would be my choice. In pure DPS terms, as in "who gains more from 3% crit", I'd be surprised if anyone surpassed the FFB mage, purely due to crit size modifier. Having said that, increasing a 60% crit to a 63% is a lot less increase than 45 to 48%.

Strictly, it's very hard to quantify the second, because the possibility of giving it to a healer makes it impossible to estimate. Shamans, Priests and Palas will all benefit in efficiency and mechanics with more crit, but how can you compare HPS and/or healer mana return to DPS increase?

Long story short? I'd give it to the Elemental Shaman. For an AoE encounter, however, I'd prefer a fellow mage. I'd also prefer a fellow mage (specced MoE) if the raid-setup was such that he'd be close to being mana-starved.

Raencloud · 01/30/09, 10:52 AM

I'm still wondering how AB-spam MBAM-ABarr on 0 or 3 stack is a dps increase over AB-spam MBAM-ABarr on 3 stack only when ABx3ABarr MBAM-ABarr on 0 or 3 stack is a dps decrease to ABx3ABarr MBAM-ABarr on 3 stack only.

I wonder if someone could play around with Rawr and figure it out. I won't be off work for another 8 hours so I can't toy with it for a while. I can't think of anything intuitively to support this indiscrepancy; every stat should scale equally between them and the differences between the cycles and cast distributions only pertain to why AB spamming until MB procs is more dps than resetting your your stack with ABarr. It's actually bothering me a lot now.

Korrigan, this is the AB3ABar03C

100100012:
4788.23 dps
243.095 mps
AB0: 19.55%
ABar0: 14.43%
MBAM0: 7.39%
AB1: 19.55%
AB2: 19.55%
ABar3: 12.51%
MBAM3: 7.04%