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Old 03/17/09, 1:11 PM   #1
Parissa
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Draenei Mage
 
Alterac Mountains
EJ Mage Community PTR data collection & testing

After some comments - I suppose this does merit an independent post outside the 3.1 changes section. It's creating distraction in the thread and doesn't 'actually' relate to theory, etc.

EJ - MAGE Community - PTR Patchwerk Parsing and Analysis 25 toon raid.

The Raid Composition
  1. 3 tanks
  2. 4 Healers
  3. Elemental Shaman (5% spell haste, 280 spell power, mana totem)
  4. Balance Druid (5% crit, 13% spell damage, 3% haste)
  5. Shadow Priest (3% hit, replenishment)
  6. Warlock (maintain 5% crit so all mages can drop scorch/winter's chill)
  7. Ret Paladin (JoW, replenishment, 3% haste = boomkin)
  8. 3: 20-51-0 Fire(arcane) Mages
  9. 3: 57-3-11 Arcane Mages
  10. 3: 0-53-18 Fire(frost) Mages
  11. 2: 18-0-53 Frost Mages - w/ ice lance glyph
  12. 2: 18-0-53 Frost Mages - w/o ice lance glyph

Available Mage Table (EU)
  • TigaFin - Frost - see "can't do times" @ post 26
  • Søndag - pref Arcane - M, W, (F, Sat) always after 20:00 CET
  • Swindley - Fireball - Frostfire
  • Shadde - 2-3 friends (mages) available also.
  • Threepwood - any
  • Andreyk - any - 18:00 CET

Horde Available Mage table (EU)
  • instantkil - TTW-Fireball
  • Pye - any - 18:00 CET
  • Xia

Wednesday March 25, 8pm EST Testing
Alliance Available Mage table (US) - PvP test. Times listed Est -
  • Austin - pref FFB/FB - before 10pm EST on any day, available all day Wed, Sat, Sun.
  • Dorrinal - pref-Frost (but willl do any) - M, W, (F, Sat) always after 9pm EST - * also low gear ele shaman
  • Jesi - pref-Fire(arcane) (could do FFB too) - 7:30pm EST, open weekends
  • Lhivera - Frost - after 9pm EST
  • Lostdragon05 - pref-Fire(arcane) - Weekends
  • Mystiq - Frostfire - Monday, Friday, Saturday at roughly any time, and after 12 PM Thurs or Sun (no ptr bosses)
  • Nathanbp - Fire(frost) - after 8 pm EST
  • Ovid - Fireball - after 6pm EST weekdays
  • Parissa - Fire(arcane) - M, W-Su after 8pm EST
  • Raoke - Any Spec - Thurs-Mon anytime after 7pm EST - * also come as low gear balance druid
  • Searix - any spec - whenever there is no ulduar boss testing up on the PTR
  • Sinless - Fire(Arcane/Frost) - after 9pm EST
  • Ticker - Arcane - not T-R after 8pm EST
  • Zerstorung - not specified - after 8pm EST Wed, Fri, Sun, Mon

Horde Available Mage table (US)
  • MadParadox - Fire(arcane/frost) - Thu, Fri, Sun, Mon - 7PM EST
  • nomojo - Frost - 7pm est
  • Sparktoria - Fireball - Tues-Thurs

Available Mage Friends table (EU)[list][*] Friends of Pye: elemental shaman (Highlender) and holy priest (Razle).

Available Mage Friends table (US)
  • (potentially) Dorrinal's Fiance - Healer - Alliance - pending Dorrinal being the perfect gentleman for about a month
  • (potentially) Taiyoken - DK Tank - Alliance (US)
  • antabobo - Elemental/resto shammy - Horde (US) - after 3pm est

Run this raid on patchwerk several times to get some damage parses that can be a completely viable and demonstrative comparison between the various potential PvE mage builds.

Then the results can get discussed in detail here and perhaps on the official forums where this data will be useful to back up many of the very good posts I've read there the past few days from Lhivera (through friend), Enthorn, and Manly.

So my questions
Who is interested?
What times can you come?
What friends of mages will volunteer to fill other raid slots to give the mages necessary buffs for comparison?

Even if I personally might not be able to make the time of the DPS parsing, I'd be more than happy to coordinate logistics and/or provide a host for data if needed.

Will edit this as volunteers post or PM me.

Please post with interest and/or suggestions

Last edited by Parissa : 03/24/09 at 8:58 AM.

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Old 03/17/09, 1:13 PM   #2
Lhivera
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Human Mage
 
Aggramar
Generally available any evening after 6pm pacific time.

At Veridian Dynamics, we can even make radishes so spicy, people can't eat them. But we're not, because people can't eat them.

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Old 03/17/09, 1:51 PM   #3
Søndag
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Mage
 
Darksorrow (EU)
I'm on the EU Brill server, in a full t7.5 set and would love to help! I'm available M, W, (F, Sat) always after 20:00 CET. I'm arcane right now, but will try any spec for the 'cause.

Paper is fine, nerf rock - Sincerely, scissors!

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Old 03/17/09, 1:53 PM   #4
lostdragon05
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
<TSP>
Bonechewer
I would be happy to help as any spec. I've been playing Torment Fireball spec for the past several weeks so it's the one I'm currently most practiced with but I can regear/regem for any build.

My guild raids 8;30- Midnight Central Mon-Thurs (actually lately we usually only raid 3 nights) and I work during the day so most of my availability is on the weekend.

Edit: I am indeed Horde so will only be able to participate if there is a Horde team too.

Last edited by lostdragon05 : 03/17/09 at 2:49 PM.

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Old 03/17/09, 2:01 PM   #5
 nathanbp
Great Tiger
 
Gnome Mage
 
Mannoroth
I'm pretty sure everyone listed in the first post currently is Alliance on a US server. Doesn't mean horde can't organize a test too, but we should probably try to keep them separate. Also should probably convert all times to one time zone. And decide on a test server. PvP?

I'm bugging my guild for helpers, will report back if I get any.

Originally Posted by Crowl View Post
If you have to control a robot dinosaur that fires lazers and there's a time when you shouldn't be shooting those lazers then the encounter is clearly flawed beyond hope of fixing.

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Old 03/17/09, 2:09 PM   #6
Parissa
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Draenei Mage
 
Alterac Mountains
ok, I'll convert it all to EST.

We'll go ahead and try for PvP test server as well

Updating OP.

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Old 03/17/09, 2:20 PM   #7
Sinless
Piston Honda
 
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Troll Mage
 
Frostwolf
I can help as well, anytime after 6pm PST as long as it won't take an entire night to get the logs. Can go as any spec required, have pretty much BiS for FFB, frost and FB to some extent. Not so much for Arcane.

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Old 03/17/09, 2:36 PM   #8
Pye
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Undead Mage
 
Draenor (EU)
Available all days after 1800 CET. Experienced in both Arcane and FFB, but I'm pretty sure the conversion to FB wouldn't be too complicated. At the moment I'm gemmed and geared for arcane but specced FFB. I have more critgear available, and willing to regem if needed.

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Old 03/17/09, 3:01 PM   #9
Dorrinal
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Draenei Mage
 
Terenas
Please update my time to be 9pm Eastern.

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Old 03/17/09, 3:07 PM   #10
BeeLz
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Mage
 
Frostmane (EU)
Would be nice if you could also go with less people or let the buffclasses do minimal dps, so we could also see the difference between a 6min patchwerk kill and a 10min+ patchwerk kill. I'd love to come but my connection doesn't allow me to play wow atm
If he doesn't have an enrage timer on ptr that is.

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Old 03/17/09, 3:11 PM   #11
Zerstorung
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Troll Mage
 
Turalyon
Alliance US. Available Wed, Fri, Sun, Mon around 8PM EST.

I'd love to participate and help out.

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Old 03/17/09, 4:35 PM   #12
 MadParadox
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Undead Mage
 
Runetotem
Horde US. Available Thu, Fri, Sun, Mon - 7PM EST

FB or FFB

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Old 03/17/09, 5:22 PM   #13
Austin
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Gnome Mage
 
Silver Hand
Alliance US, available before 10pm EST on any day, available all day Wed, Sat, Sun.

FB / FFB spec, unless Arcane/Frost glyphs are available, then any spec.

Austin, 85 Mage - Austyn, 83 Death Knight - Austen, 85 Rogue - Talros, 85 Feral Druid

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Old 03/17/09, 5:37 PM   #14
Parissa
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Draenei Mage
 
Alterac Mountains
Thanks for the responses and interest

I've updated this as of 5:40ish EST. I'll check again tomorrow when I'm back in to the office and hopefully by then there may be a few different runs amongst the various server locations and factions.

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Old 03/17/09, 6:12 PM   #15
Searix
Piston Honda
 
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Human Mage
 
Stormreaver
I can test, fully geared, any spec you want me.

Alliance - Any time that we aren't testing ulduar (any night with a boss)

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Old 03/18/09, 12:57 PM   #16
Itchni
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Mage
 
Stormscale
I am available to test any time after 5:30 Est thurs-monday Tuesdays after 7:30 est

I am US horde, I can do any fire spec, either arcane or frost.

I am pretty confident that I could get an elemental shaman too.

Edit:ele shaman wont be available for 3+ weeks

Last edited by Itchni : 03/18/09 at 1:15 PM.

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Old 03/18/09, 1:37 PM   #17
leachimbulwark
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Kul Tiras
Shaman US horde (currently on the pvp ptr) im willing to help out at almost anytime after 3pm EST any weekday and anytime on the weekends. I also have a crappily geared frost mage (only a few naxx-10 pieces) that I can play if that is needed.

I am usually enh, but I have a full resto set, and several pieces of ele. Between my ele and resto gear I have decent ele stats, just missing hit really.

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Old 03/18/09, 4:01 PM   #18
n0m0j0
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Troll Mage
 
Rexxar
For the Horde (US) available anytime after 7pm EST

Currently gear/gemmed for frost and could also bring over my warrior to off-tank if needed.

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Old 03/18/09, 4:58 PM   #19
Mystiq
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Durotan
US Alliance Mage, have gear for Fire, Frostfire and Arcane, but probably best for Frostfire. Available Monday, Friday, Saturday at roughly any time, and after 12 PM Thurs or Sun, unless there's no PTR bosses up Thurs or Sun, then available any time then too. All times EST.

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Old 03/18/09, 5:07 PM   #20
Ticker
Glass Joe
 
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Gnome Mage
 
Alterac Mountains
Sounds like fun, im generally avalable anytime except tue-thurs after 8pm. Pref arcane, also aliance.

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Old 03/18/09, 8:52 PM   #21
Yetigeeze
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Troll Mage
 
Runetotem
Ok, I'm willing to open myself up to the scrutiny. Horde troll mage, mostly BiS gear (need better luck on trinkets and rings). Available Fri-Monday after 5:30 pacific time. I have a copy on the pve realm atm , but could also do a pvp x-fer. Could have several support players if raid time works out, there's 10-15 guildies on the PvE ptr with me.

Have the gear to dual spec TtW/FB and arcane, either works.

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Old 03/19/09, 12:40 AM   #22
spaace
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Blood Elf Warrior
 
Daggerspine
US Horde
Fireball
Saturday/Sunday 9pm EST
(Almost any time weekday am/pm just need half week notice)

Thunderclap: This ability now counts as a ranged attack, granting it double damage on critical strikes instead of 150% and ranged miss chance, and still cannot be dodged or parried.

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Old 03/19/09, 3:12 AM   #23
 ash2ash
Operation Asian
 
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Undead Mage
 
Mal'Ganis
US Horde PVP (My char is Frozenstein on PTR)

Geared for TTW/FB spec but I could do FFB although I'd have wasted hit. Not particularly experienced as arcane or frost.

I can be on any time/day except Thursday, Sunday, Tuesday 7PM-11PM.

I can probably get a geared ret pally to come along with me.

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Old 03/19/09, 4:57 AM   #24
Pye
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Undead Mage
 
Draenor (EU)
Doesn't look like the EU thing is gonna happen, but if it is I can bring a elemental shaman (Highlender) and holy priest (Razle).

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Old 03/19/09, 5:51 AM   #25
Swindley
Piston Honda
 
Human Mage
 
Frostwhisper (EU)
Same here, if an EU test is happening I can spec TTW FB or FFB with allmost BiS gear. Don't have the proper arcane gear atm though.

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