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CrazyScot · 10/11/10, 11:08 PM

Is 1 intellect still providing 15 mana?

I am currently in the process of writing a draft Holy page but cannot find anything on this detail...

Rennadrel · 10/12/10, 1:03 AM

Originally Posted by Aslice

2 cents -

BiS lists are very nice - but I have always found "ranked lists" ( however subjective and argued over ) to be more useful.
If nothing else - having one page to go to that has links readily available ...

Very nice ...

The "bucketed" BiS lists that I see in Ret are pretty nice as well ( heroic 25's / non-heroic 25's / heroic 10s / etc )

Agreed. Having a ranked list to choose from helps out a lot, but rankings are generally opinions expressed by players who prefer certain things over others. That said, we have the fortune of basically choosing whatever items we feel are going to be the best for Ret and tanking is pretty homogenized, not like Holy is going to be a complete no brainer though because we the only healing plate class in the game. However regardless some items may work better for certain encounters, say more haste for quicker heals on raid versus heavier hitting heals with a slower cast time for more single target focused healing such as on a tank.

The reforging is going to certainly make players fine tune their characters to be optimal and I would like to see plenty of discussion on it as a part of how we play. Alongside Mastery, I have not delved too deeply into this yet but my initial gatherings have led me to believe that it will be vital come Cataclysm, how much is needed and what the best approach will be in the long term for obtaining it along with other stats for the optimization of all 3 specs will go a long way. And at what point are we going to need to stack less haste and start going for Mastery as Retribution for instance is another key thing.

There are going to be far too many things to discuss in Cataclysm, but for me I would like to see a large open discussion on the importance of Mastery and Reforging above all.

Mattsvaliant-v2 · 10/12/10, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by CrazyScot

Is 1 intellect still providing 15 mana?

I am currently in the process of writing a draft Holy page but cannot find anything on this detail...

No, its not.

I believe its 10 mana per Int, but I don't have a soucre. Its certainly not 15 though.

♦ emptyrepublic · 10/12/10, 1:56 PM

I'd really like some analysis from anyone who has done tanking in the Beta. I've had time to mess around some, but not a lot. One of my priorities for the new 4.0 tanking guide is to have a strong section discussion the tanking rotation. 9/6 will no longer exist and the rotation will be largely driven on the availability of Holy Power and the optimal abilities and times to use abilities that take advantage of Holy Power. This is something I very much want to get right as soon as possible because that will have the largest impact on tank performance in the near term.

Noraj · 10/12/10, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by emptyrepublic

I'd really like some analysis from anyone who has done tanking in the Beta. I've had time to mess around some, but not a lot. One of my priorities for the new 4.0 tanking guide is to have a strong section discussion the tanking rotation. 9/6 will no longer exist and the rotation will be largely driven on the availability of Holy Power and the optimal abilities and times to use abilities that take advantage of Holy Power. This is something I very much want to get right as soon as possible because that will have the largest impact on tank performance in the near term.

Theck has already posted his current Cataclysm Matlab breakdowns over at Maintankadin. While more input is always better, it's fairly safe to say that his work is at the very minimum an excellent jumping-off point.

Maintankadin • View topic - Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Daler · 10/12/10, 4:42 PM

Originally Posted by Noraj

Theck has already posted his current Cataclysm Matlab breakdowns over at Maintankadin. While more input is always better, it's fairly safe to say that his work is at the very minimum an excellent jumping-off point.

Maintankadin • View topic - Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

That's definitely a good starting point for single-target tanking. Two things I see missing are a discussion of AoE tanking in general, and the threat component of WoG. While it'd be nice to be able to say replace CS with HotR and ShoR with Inq and call it a day, AoE tanking's simply not been addressed yet.

If the protection thread is to be believed, the threat from WoG is nothing to scoff at for AoE tanking, especially at 80 while we're still sans Inquisition.

• frmorrison · 10/12/10, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by CrazyScot

Is 1 intellect still providing 15 mana?

I am currently in the process of writing a draft Holy page but cannot find anything on this detail...

1 Int = 10 mana for 4.0.1 (I tested it on the PTR).

For new authors that wish to see how to format threads nicely, you can see my thread here:
Holy Paladin Compendium for 3.3
and then click the quote button to see the code.

Many mechanics have changed so that post isn't the best starting ground, but it is nice for what topics you can cover.

Shldnhearth · 10/12/10, 11:10 PM

I really like the new Divine Protection (no forbearance + much shorter cd + extra magic damage reduction via the major glyph). Am I wrong in thinking that all the damage transfered to us via Hand of Sacrifice is magic? It means that you should have a Divine Protection ready to pop on every Hand of Sacrifice you cast (which itself has a shorter cd now too). Besides being very useful for holy paladins, this is something that ret paladins can now use as an external cooldown on their tanks, as it will no longer mess with their wings or bubbles should they need them.

• frmorrison · 10/13/10, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Shldnhearth

Am I wrong in thinking that all the damage transfered to us via Hand of Sacrifice is magic?

HoS was the type of damage that was transferred from the target (i.e. it depends). You can use as a tank cooldown as Ret, but I that is only 20 physical/40 magic damage taken off, so you may need a heal ready if you want to use it.

CrazyScot · 10/13/10, 12:34 AM

If anyone is willing to do some Holy Paladin testing (prior to me having the patch downloaded).

I am interested in testing to find out if the out of combat regen model follows the long known formula for OO5SR regen used by priests and druids. I will hopefully tonight or tomorrow morning be able to get online to check it myself but it all depends on my connection.

Edit: If this is the same I may need someone to do some testing on the Beta to find out the base regen value in order to update the holy thread (should I be writing it) to the level 85 spirit based in combat regen forumla.

Genox · 10/14/10, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by Aslice

2 cents -

BiS lists are very nice - but I have always found "ranked lists" ( however subjective and argued over ) to be more useful.
If nothing else - having one page to go to that has links readily available ...

Very nice ...

The "bucketed" BiS lists that I see in Ret are pretty nice as well ( heroic 25's / non-heroic 25's / heroic 10s / etc )

I made a pally tank just this past year as an alt to play and was always looking for a list to see what I should be working towards and picking up along the way

I agree with Aslice that a ranked list is very helpful. For reference, my main is a Shadow Priest and I have always found this particular BiS list at shadowpriest.com to be very helpful. (Obviously, this list hasn't been updated for 4.0 stats yet).

Thanks for all the helpful advice so far!

CrazyScot · 10/16/10, 10:10 AM

I am in the process of finishing the first draft of the Holy Paladin thread. It should be up in the next 48 hours (if I stop re-reading and adding more detail)

• malthrin · 11/26/10, 1:04 PM

We're approaching the End of Days here. Shortly before the Cataclysm launch, I intended to close the Cataclysm discussion threads and reboot the Simple Questions/Simple Answer thread. It will be up to Exemplar and Emptyrepublic whether they'd prefer to continue their existing compendium threads for Ret/Prot or start new ones for 85. Finally, we're still short an author for a new Holy compendium. Anyone interested?

DeluksZ · 11/27/10, 7:16 AM

Hi there. I'm just curious if there will be a thread dedicated to soloing build/glyphs/tips/methods, ect or is it not important enough to make a new thread about it?

• malthrin · 11/27/10, 1:32 PM

No, there won't be a thread on soloing or leveling. There's no sense min-maxing for trivial content.