Would Zealotry during heroism actually be a DPS loss then? I've been chaining AW & Zealotry during heroism, and I have noticed a bit of awkwardness during the Zealotry cycle, but I'd think the extra TVs we cast under 20% damage boost would be worth it. Also: if we also take into account engineering gloves, are we better off staggering them at 1-minute intervals to match with the gloves? Or only if this doesn't make us miss an extra AW cycle?

AotL vs. SotP or bugged glyph.

I have stumbled on to some strange occurrence and I am not certain as to whether it's a bugged glyph or a bugged talent. First off, I could not find the data explicitly stated so I want to confirm the following:

AotL give 12% crit chance to TV and Judge
SotP gives 12% increase in damage to Censure/SoT/SoC

Please correct me if I am wrong. In my guild I went 3/2/31 and the other ret is 5/0/31. We are both glyphed with CS/Exo/TV and our crit rate is ~2% different. The difference though after going over our logs last night was that the other ret was pulling ~12% increased crit rate on CS. Mind you, our talents in the Ret tree are identical only our Holy/Prot talents differ. So my question is if other paladins are running 3/2/31 are you noticing ~45% crit rating on CS as well and are those running 5/0/31 seeing a ~55% crit rating on CS?

My current assumption (and yes I have compared to others on seperate logs as well) is that AotL is affecting our CS attacks or for some reason or Rule of Law telant is not working properly.

Here's copy of 4 logs from last night against two different paladins.
Hallion Kill:

Me Hallion
Callidex Hallion


LK Kill:

Me LK
Snorkl LK

Both Snorkl and Callidex are 5/0/31 and I am 3/2/31. If it is just a stupid error on my part, I apologize in advance. Sorry, also, reason I am posting now as opposed to target dummy testing is that I am currently at work. If no one has an answer by the time I have a chance to test it myself I will post my findings.

You are correct about SotP except, except it does not increase damage from Seals of Command.

In the LK reports, I looked at the full report and it would appear that you both have just about 55% crit chance on CS.

Heads up for the folks posting Recount screenshots: if you're answering a specific testing request (for example, what's the exact expertise cap?), carry on and more power to you. However, if you're posting Recount (or any other damage meter or logs) in support or rebuttal to broad topics such as rotation or stat priorities, please don't. That isn't a rigorous test and doesn't offer any useful information. It only makes the page load slower for everyone.

Dahkness, your sample size is far too small for any reasonable conclusions. With 125 Crusader Strikes on LK (and fewer on Halion) your margin for error is huge. It's entirely reasonable for one of you to receive more crits. The RNG liked him and didn't like you. Make some sacrifices to Tyche.

Take your whole log and you had a 54% crit rate (yes, trash mobs don't have 4.8% crit reduction, this is an example, not an accurate figure, either) - far different from your 42% on LK. 998 CS overall isn't a good gauge for accuracy. In this same time period Snorkl had 500 CS and a 54% crit rate.

And to restate for those that didn't see my edit to my last post (to avoid double-posting):
95 Expertise Rating + Glyph with zero dodge in 9000 attacks. We're going with 95 as our required value until someone sees a dodge.

I also think the Communion issue is a repeat of Sanctified Retribution (which we identified, reported, they fixed). You probably have 2% + 3% = 5% on login. Join a group, another 3% matches yours. They go out of range/log off, you lose their 3% and yours never comes back (unless you change aura). Could someone test this in-game? If you prove this, then post screenshots on the WoW bug forum, not here, so they can fix it.

While its no doubt best to have inquisition up at all times, does it seem like it expiring be a substantial dps loss during zealotry when your going to be spamming CS/TV and not using Exo/judge/HW? (in which case, not worrying about refreshing it before going into zeal mode would be the best solution?)

Except you're forgetting about SoT, Censure, and SoC damage, which totals up to almost 30%. Seems like you just get to 3 HP, activate Zealotry, Inq refresh, CS > TV.

Or possibly if you just refreshed and you still have 25 seconds on Inq, just use your last Zealotry CS to resfresh INQ.

Just seems like it's going to be situational and there won't be a BEST thing to do.

The displayed combat stats don't seem to be right for hit either.

Hitting the completely abandoned heroic dummy in SMC with 246 hit rating and 105 expertise, I got a missed white swing about a thousand into the set. Nobody else has hit the dummy in the ~half hour I've been on it, and the only thing that might be unusual is the deathfrost on the 1h sword I was using for the test.

edit; broke my test off at ~2300 white swings without another miss, someone started hitting the dummy.

Drums/MotW glitch seems to have been fixed. I'm not able to do Drums after MotW tonight.

Great testing, I'm going to try it out also. This is new to me and I'm gonna abuse this for all its worth
Hyperspeed accelerators should also increase the tick rate.

This is probably because the sheet rounds up from 7.9995, or so.