The Retribution Concordance - 4.0.1 - Page 30

chippydip · 11/20/10, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by Exemplar

CSCD shorter than 3+latency doesn't help.

This should be: "CSCD shorter than 3 *minus* latency doesn't help."

You are effectively capped when CS finishes its cooldown enough before the GCD so you can get a valid message to the server in time for it to use CS as soon as the GCD finishes. With 100ms latency you'd need a 2.9s CS to perfectly alternate CS and TV during Zealotry for example.

amnerys · 11/22/10, 10:33 AM

4.0.3a patch notes are out:

* Exorcism damage has been increased by approximately 50%.
* Seal of Truth: periodic damage from Censure reduced by 25%.
* Crusade now also has a proc on kill to increase the healing done by the paladin's next Holy Light by 100/200/300% for 15 seconds, in addition to its current effects.
* Divine Storm: This ability has been redesigned. It no longer consumes Holy Power and instead costs 5% of base mana. It shares a cooldown with Crusader Strike and hits all nearby enemies for 60% weapon damage.
* Pursuit of Justice now has an 8-second internal cooldown, shared with Blessed Life.
* Rebuke no longer initiates Auto Attack.
* Sanctity of Battle now also causes Divine Storm's cooldown to be reduced by Haste effects.
* Zealotry no longer consumes 3 Holy Power, but still requires 3 Holy Power to use.

Looks like we no longer need to macro rebuke to every attack anymore. And not that it matters a great deal now, but does the censure nerf mean that 5/0/31 is now the preferred spec over 3/2/31?

darrow · 11/22/10, 11:02 AM

According to Ghostcrawler Zealotry was also supposed to be off of the GCD but I'm not finding that in the 4.0.3a patch notes. We shall see post patch if that made it in as well or not.

IceDawn · 11/22/10, 11:02 AM

The Rebuke Change May not actually be a change to fix it from proc'ing a seal, I believe this will have to be tested once the patch is released before we can make that assumption.

Morpheus · 11/22/10, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by IceDawn

The Rebuke Change May not actually be a change to fix it from proc'ing a seal, I believe this will have to be tested once the patch is released before we can make that assumption.

Redcape mentioned that he tested Rebuke proccing a seal in the latest beta build and said it no longer works. So whether or not it's still working in 4.0.3a, be prepared to unmacro it prior to December 7th for sure.

Read Redcape's post

Exemplar · 11/22/10, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by chippydip

This should be: "CSCD shorter than 3 *minus* latency doesn't help."

Chippy is correct and OP updated appropriately. For those who don't go back and re-read, note that this really shouldn't be feasible to reach even in end-tier Cata gear and gemming Haste is foolish unless mechanics change. Str is more than twice as powerful as Haste, any gem slot which is not Str is a damage loss.

amnerys, I believe the change to Censure is supposed to already be live, though we will of course double-check when the patch updates us. 5/0/31 vs 3/2/31 have remained within about 1% of each other. RNG impacts our DPS by a factor of several magnitudes more than this. I wouldn't bother a respec for the last 2 weeks.

IceDawn/Morpheus - indeed, Rebuke should no longer proc. I will update OP macros as soon as patch hits (anticipated tomorrow) and we can verify that has rolled live.

ben128905 · 11/22/10, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Redcape mentioned that he tested Rebuke proccing a seal in the latest beta build and said it no longer works. So whether or not it's still working in 4.0.3a, be prepared to unmacro it prior to December 7th for sure.

Read Redcape's post

Currently on PTR it does not proc a seal, also divine storm resets as it did pre 4.0 with 2 piece tier 10 however it is not reflected on the tooltips, ah well patch tomorrow

Capstone · 11/22/10, 5:03 PM

Divine Storm! has in fact never stopped proc'ing; I've certainly seen it go by on my scrolling combat text often enough since 4.0

kilroggphara · 11/23/10, 4:36 AM

I just made a dwarf character on live realms (still 4.0.3, not 4.0.3a) and its Mace Specialization increases the expertise with only 3 (instead of 5). That makes it worse than the human racial, who have 3 with swords and maces.

I have no idea when this change happened but the OP still says that dwarves have 5 exp with maces, I think this should be fixed.

Danath · 11/23/10, 4:48 AM

Originally Posted by darrow

According to Ghostcrawler Zealotry was also supposed to be off of the GCD but I'm not finding that in the 4.0.3a patch notes. We shall see post patch if that made it in as well or not.

Patch Notes are largely incomplete. For example, Divine Storm has been buffed to 80% weapon damage in the latest beta build, and there are many more things missing overall. As always, we'll have to see in-game.

Naididae · 11/23/10, 6:24 PM

I got a dodge at 23 expertise. Maybe it's changed now with the patch.
On a side note I also got a few misses on the Raider's training dummy.

Maybe they "fixed" the values needed, or the dummy has an increased level now.

Naididae · 11/23/10, 6:26 PM

Also, chaotic meta gem and the agility one are changed to "More blues than red gems"

Seems like thundering skyflare diamond might be the way to go for now? it has about 12% uptime and gives 480 haste on proc.

ichik · 11/23/10, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by Naididae

Also, chaotic meta gem and the agility one are changed to "More blues than red gems"

Seems like thundering skyflare diamond might be the way to go for now? it has about 12% uptime and gives 480 haste on proc.

L85 meta changed also, this hits badly and strong. It means not only you have to use violet gems everywhere but also put 1 blue on top.
Reforging all the hit from the gear can be the solution, but not good enough IMHO.

Meanwhile, what would you say about using [Thundering Skyflare Diamond] instead? 480 haste for a six-second (if they haven't changed anything) with 45 sec ICD seems pretty good for me, as long as it's requirments are soooo easy.

Naididae · 11/23/10, 7:53 PM

Also debating if H TAiJ is still good enough to stay as bis, or even a good usable trinket. (seals do 9% Weapon damage now)

Morphex · 11/23/10, 8:50 PM

Originally Posted by Naididae

I got a dodge at 23 expertise. Maybe it's changed now with the patch.
On a side note I also got a few misses on the Raider's training dummy.

Maybe they "fixed" the values needed, or the dummy has an increased level now.

Isn't dummies for lvl 85 now?

I am living in Europe, so haven't been able to see for my self. Read it on mmo-champion.