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Old 12/06/10, 3:17 PM   #1
• malthrin
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Paladin Simple Questions: Cataclysmic Mode

This is the thread for simple questions that don't fit anywhere else. If your question applies to one of the existing thread topics, please post it there instead; if you expect to generate significant additional discussion, create a new thread. If, however, you have a simple question that only requires a simple answer and don't see a better place to post it, this is your thread.

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Old 12/10/10, 12:53 PM   #2
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The Prot thread recommends reforging dodge/parry into mastery. But then it recommends the stamina/parry gem over the stamina/mastery gem. Am I missing something?

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Old 12/10/10, 1:38 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by bengali View Post
The Prot thread recommends reforging dodge/parry into mastery. But then it recommends the stamina/parry gem over the stamina/mastery gem. Am I missing something?
The gems listed are gems that tanking Paladins should be looking for; there is not a specific gem recommendation. The order in which they are listed is entirely arbitrary. The gem you choose depends on your gear and if/how much you are able to reforge.

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Old 12/10/10, 4:05 PM   #4
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Is Protector of the Innocent proccing a beacon heal intended? It seems a bit imbalanced to be able to double dip like this.

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Old 12/10/10, 7:27 PM   #5
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No blue post on this issue yet crimsonsentinel.

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Old 12/11/10, 9:38 PM   #6
ClearlySane88
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I checked all of the forums and didn't see anything on this topic, so please forgive me if this has all ready been answered. What should Holy Paladins look to reforge with their stats, if at all?

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Old 12/12/10, 1:14 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by ClearlySane88 View Post
I checked all of the forums and didn't see anything on this topic, so please forgive me if this has all ready been answered. What should Holy Paladins look to reforge with their stats, if at all?
There was a lot of theory behind people reforging crit/mastery into haste. If you want a more in-depth look at the theorycraft behind this theory and others visit: The Way of the Light: Holy in Cataclysm

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Old 12/12/10, 5:10 PM   #8
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I was looking for info on the Holy Paladin (Healing) Haste cap. I found the post regarding the numbers but they don't seem too add up and they also don't account for changes in Cataclysm, for example they are saying a 15% Haste increase for judging when mine says 9%.

So far I have worked out that 1% Haste is equal to 128.21 Rating / 1 Rating = 0.0078%

Holy Light is also now a 3 second cast rather than a 2.5second cast. With talents takes it to a 2.5% cast.

After removing all my gear it was still saying 2.43s cast which I found to be related to the Speed of Light talent which increased Haste by 3% but doesn't show on the Summaries to the right.

What I don't know is what the cap is now to get this down to an acceptable limit to get FoL to 1sec cast?

Edit: After doing some dodgy maths I think I have it to 1409 (rounded) for haste cap at 100ms Latency to get Maximum Flash of Lights.

Note: These values are rounded as I'm not as smart as some.

1sec = 1.5 / (1.00*1.227*1.11)

= 1.1 Cast time.

The 1.227 Comes from 3% Speed of Light 9% Judgement 5% Boomkin 5% Wrath of Air and 0.7% from Basalisk Liver Dog buff food which gives 90 Haste rating.

Could someone smarter check this?

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Old 12/13/10, 12:00 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Belfius View Post
The 1.227 Comes from 3% Speed of Light 9% Judgement 5% Boomkin 5% Wrath of Air and 0.7% from Basalisk Liver Dog buff food which gives 90 Haste rating.
Haste effects combine multiplicatively, and all sources of rating add together to form one of those haste effects. Boomkin and WoA are the same buff - they don't stack. The haste threshold for 1 second Flashes is then at h = 1.5/1.03/1.09/1.05 - 1 = 27.244% from haste rating. From Combat Ratings at Level 85, the haste conversion is 128.0571, so you would need 27.244 * 128.0571 ~= 3489 rating to hit that cap. 3399 with buff food

Given how the new spell queuing system works, latency should not impede your ability to cast even GCD-limited spells.


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Old 12/13/10, 2:52 PM   #10
Audemed
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Is Censure's tick rate still affected by haste, and if so, has this been acknowledged as being intentional?

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Old 12/15/10, 1:33 PM   #11
Liagala
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If you're using Glyph of Seal of Truth to hit expertise cap (+10 expertise with seal up), is it still worth it to use Seal of Righteousness for the cleave effect in AoE, or will dodges from lack of expertise negate the extra damage cleave does?

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Old 12/15/10, 1:34 PM   #12
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What factors are involved in the delay between using an ability that generates holy power and the holy power actually becoming available? Is it just lag, or is there a set delay?

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Old 12/15/10, 3:55 PM   #13
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Is Protector of the Innocent proccing a beacon heal intended? It seems a bit imbalanced to be able to double dip like this.
According to a blue post today, yes.

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Old 12/16/10, 5:43 PM   #14
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motofirebox: Supposedly, since the spells that cause the delay in the HP gain are not baked in with the gain, there is a slight delay when the server must check the existence of the presence of the various talents and buffs which allow the HP gain.

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Old 12/17/10, 8:01 AM   #15
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Hi fellow paladins. As a tank, I read the protection thread daily, although I dont think I understand our protection cap fully. I did read everything in the rist post and tried to figure out what is what, but I have some question still waiting to be answered. I hope this is the right thread to ask them, as in the protection topic it would be off (that topic is for higher level discussion of tanking).

Our 102.4% avoidance cap comes from 4 different parts. Base miss + parry chance + dodge chance + block chance. I understand it. So...
1. Is it (theoretically) okay to get 51.2% parry + 51.2% dodge to be avoidance capped? Or any other stat? Or 102.4% block or parry chance to be capped?
2. Why is masterity more important, then parry or dodge? I understand that there is a thing called parry haste, but dodge is zero dmg dont it? Since block is just 30% dmg reduction (or 40%) why we like msatery over dodge or parry?
3. Some mentioned "block cap" in the topic. Is there a cap of block? Which means there is a separated cap just for masterity rating therefore block chance %?

So as you get the picture i'm a bit confused about what item to choose according to my personal stats, the itemstats and how this avoidance cap really works and makes us a better tank? THank you for the answers.

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