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Old 05/29/11, 8:46 AM   #151
Natan
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Burning Legion (EU)
I have a question, what stat should I reforge into for Sinestra encounter as holy? Or it doesn't matter? I thought about going full mastery since in laste phase I'll get infinite mana and 100% haste.

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Old 05/29/11, 1:47 PM   #152
Nimiks
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Dalaran (EU)
I tried reforging full crit as haste is useless in p3, but it is a pain in p1, at least in 10 man. Even with BL popped, heals and dispels GCD are sooooo long. I sticked with my regular haste gear, you loose a bit of potential P3 HPS but it's much easier to go through p1 and p3 when Essence of the red fades.

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Old 06/09/11, 11:42 PM   #153
Seraphanite
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Draenei Priest
 
Cenarion Circle
Can someone please tell me why the achievement "superior" has a ranged category for my paladin? I am pretty sure paladins do not use ranged weapons. There's a relic slot where the ranged weapon should be located.

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Old 06/10/11, 3:07 PM   #154
Malleus
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Human Paladin
 
Bronze Dragonflight (EU)
Originally Posted by Seraphanite View Post
Can someone please tell me why the achievement "superior" has a ranged category for my paladin? I am pretty sure paladins do not use ranged weapons. There's a relic slot where the ranged weapon should be located.
And if you fill the relic slot with an epic, you'll get the "ranged weapon" part of the achievement. It's called that for the sake of uniformity, and because six of ten classes do use a ranged weapon in that slot.

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Old 06/11/11, 1:47 PM   #155
Llamalite
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Human Paladin
 
Malfurion
This is the end of a thread that I will clearly admit is a bit trollish on the wow forums. However, I wanted to ask the question here, because Div Light spam healing has become so prevalent and its proponents are so very outspoken and numerous.

I use all my spells. And I heal my Beacon. I use Div Light certainly under heavy damage situations, but it is not my go to spell. And if I'm using it I want it on the Beacon so that the HoPo will offset the cost and the time it takes ( outside of proc ).

So, just taking a microcosm of the core difference between the two styles, I have a question that I'd rather ask here where people might actually answer it mathematically and seriously.

Assuming that your Flash costs 6K mana and your Div costs 7K mana. The basis for using Flashes is that you can get two in during the same time frame as one Div ( again outside of proc ).

12/7 = 1.7 ( mana cost )

Assuming your FoL does about 25K and your Div Light does about 30K. In the cast time of 1 div light you could do two FoL's. Therefore:

50/30 = 1.6 ( heals done ).

Again, that 1.6 times the healing done for 1.7 times the mana cost in the same time frame. And generating twice as many HoPo's in the same time frame leads to more instant mana free WoG's, which for me do about 25K non-crit. So, let's compare, ignoring the Shocks heals and cost ( because it's the same for either ).

Shock > Flash Flash > WoG. : Mana cost: 12K. Healing done: 75K

Shock > Div Light... nothing ( because you only have 2 HoPo if these were cast on Beacon. 1 if not. ): Mana cost: 7K. Healing done: 30K.

Why would you go the second route under a heavy damage spike situation???

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Old 06/11/11, 3:56 PM   #156
talchas
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Scarlet Crusade
Well, if you cast DL on the beacon, then you have two HP and a gcd over the first setup. The trivial measurement would be to cast a 2 point WoG with that, which by your numbers would do about 17k healing. This already has higher hpm (~6.7 vs 6.25). In addition, one DL is still faster than two FoL, so even after spending a non-optimal 2WoG, the second sequence still takes less time. Of course, if you need 75k healing, then the first sequence might still be better.

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Old 06/11/11, 5:07 PM   #157
thatbox
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Burning Legion
People use Divine Light over Flash of Light because it's much better HPM and most of the time FoL's high-priced HPS is unnecessary. People avoid healing their Beacon targets because it's better HPM (and HPS) to take advantage of the 50% transfer whenever possible.

Additionally, your numbers are off. FoL costs 6,323 mana. DL costs 7,026 mana. With your haste, FoL is a 1.19 second cast and DL is a 1.98 second cast. Ballpark, according to your character stats, your DL should be hitting for 27,800, your FoL should be hitting for 18,900 and your WoG should be hitting for 16,500 raidbuffed on live. Your "comparison" between the two approaches is quite poor; in your first scenario you spend 4.6 seconds casting, and only 3.06 seconds casting in the second.

Can you clarify the question you're asking?

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Old 06/11/11, 8:03 PM   #158
Seraphanite
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Cenarion Circle
Thank you! It worked just like you said it would. Put an epic relic in and it counted as ranged.

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Old 06/17/11, 5:31 PM   #159
Globbe
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Human Paladin
 
Drek'Thar (EU)
hi, i'm a french user and my english is bad. i hope that you will understand.

i play ret pal. and i've some questions.

1) i've read there is a point when crit is better than mastery. which rating precisely ?
2) we need 3978 haste rating to be capped. should we get it for the 4.2 patch ?( 3978 is a huge score, we should sacrify a lot of mastery. is it a good idea ?)

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Old 06/18/11, 1:48 AM   #160
moze99
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Farstriders
I do believe it is impossible to reach Haste Soft Cap in the current tier. Even if we could, you'd be blowing your Expertise and Hit to reach it. As it stands now Haste is not a good stat last I checked. For Ret you want Str> Mastery> Crit after you reach 1H cap and 16 Expertise(13 for the space goats).

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Old 06/20/11, 7:04 PM   #161
Vhal
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Tauren Paladin
 
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Hopefully this will qualify as a reasonable question, as after reading through a lot of the posts on paladining in 4.1 and 4.2, switching from primarily prot to primarily holy, and getting all of my gear gemmed, enchanted, and reforged, I'm left with some questions.

So to avoid the inanity of asking for overall reforging strategy, I'll start with the one piece I'm unsure of.

I'm a decently geared pre-raid holy paladin; ilvl 354. I have a [Zulian Ward], and I'm not sure how to (or even if there's a reasonable benefit to) reforge it. With 4.1, I would think either "leave as is" or Crit -> Spirit. With 4.2, I'm not sure. Could someone be so kind as to offer a suggestion?

Thanks.

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Old 06/20/11, 10:26 PM   #162
thatbox
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Burning Legion
You should reforge the crit to Spirit, or preferably buy the ilvl 359 haste/Spirit Blacksmithing shield.

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Old 06/23/11, 1:56 PM   #163
protake
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Blackrock (EU)
Will the Hyjal Trinket (around 400 Mastery, around 1300 Strength every 1 min) be very good for Ret Paladin? I mean will it be better than the most 372 Trinkets or are there exceptions? Thanks.

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Old 06/30/11, 4:44 PM   #164
DeathBurrito
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Frostwolf
Looking to try Alysrazor soon, what are the chances that the new Denounce would be viable to let a plate dps "tank" the hatchlings to get more out of the damage buff?

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Old 06/30/11, 7:46 PM   #165
Calefax
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Magtheridon
Virtually none. Those hatchlings hit like a truck. In our attempts we had fully geared tanks with two dedicated healers each and we still had some tank deaths. Eliminating crits from the mob is not going to come close to making up for losing all of the other tools tanks have to reduce incoming damage.

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