Paladin Simple Questions: Cataclysmic Mode - Page 5

Icos · 01/19/11, 4:07 PM

Back during beta Blizzard was talking about making resources regenerate faster from haste for some specs/classes. Did his ever happen for Rets, and if so was it merely done as part of our natural regen or does it affect Judgements of the Bold?

Pdawg · 01/19/11, 5:15 PM

Haste does affect Judgements of the Bold. It also increases ret holy power generation by decreasing the cooldown on Crusader Strike, reducing the spell GCD, and decreasing your swing timer (more chances for HoL procs).

Zalinda · 01/20/11, 4:26 AM

The idea for haste is not that it "regenerates faster".

The idea behind the secondary stats:
Crit : bigger numbers
Haste: you can press more buttons in the same timeframe
Mastery: you become better at your role. For healers this is extra healing done, for dps it's extra damage done, for tanks it's extra damage reduction. Exactly how the mastery works is different for each spec.

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For casters, more haste means shorter GCD's on their spells, so they get their 'more buttons' that way.
For rogues, cats, bears, warriors, DK's, hunter, a shorter GCD on their abilities would do little, since their ability to press buttons is restricted by their resources (runes, energy, focus, rage). So haste makes energy and runes replenish faster which allows rogues/cats to press more buttons. For warrior/bear, more haste means more autoattacks, which translates to more rage so they can hit more buttons also. Hunters get a shorter cast time on Steady shot, which gives them more focus.
Paladins are bit of a special case, we have some of our abilities on a shorter GCD, and via a talent, we can get CS cooldown reduced.

combo64 · 01/20/11, 5:45 PM

Had a quick question, getting 102.4% avoidance for prot pali is added with pary+dodge+5+block+mastery.
What i was wondering is are you suppose to calculate the diminishing returns on dodge and parry or what is shown before diminishing returns.

Noraj · 01/21/11, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by combo64

Had a quick question, getting 102.4% avoidance for prot pali is added with pary+dodge+5+block+mastery.
What i was wondering is are you suppose to calculate the diminishing returns on dodge and parry or what is shown before diminishing returns.

If you're trying to figure out how much more dodge or parry you'll need to reach that level of avoidance, then yes, as I understand your question, you'll need to take diminishing returns into account. If you're trying to figure out if you're at that level already, then the whole idea of diminishing returns shouldn't even really apply.

AceRider · 01/21/11, 2:49 AM

to find your CTC coverage you need to take the percentages from your character screen, so DR is already applied. You're CTC coverage calculation is wrong, it's Parry% + Dodge% + Block% +5 = CTC Coverage, mastery is already counted within the block%.
If you want to try and figure out how much extra stat you need to reach 102.4% then you would need to apply DR to your extra stats.

Aner-Dyfan · 01/26/11, 11:21 AM

I am looking at "eye for an eye" for prot. It says reflects damage so would this relate to an average 13.3% damage reduction in direct spell damage encounters? It generally shares skill point space with improved judgement, which seems to be far more common. With the huge focus of mitigation in discussion what makes that 30yd range judgment so attractive?

♦ emptyrepublic · 01/26/11, 11:38 AM

Eye for an Eye doesn't mitigate. Reflected damage is calculated after any mitigation from resistance/cooldowns/etc.

Kitara · 01/26/11, 11:45 AM

Has anyone tested the effects of haste on Glyph of the Long Word? I believe the glyph has a base of 3 ticks. From my calculations, a holy paladin with heroic 5-man gear will have enough haste, in combat, to get 4 ticks leading to a ~16% increase in healing for WoG. A couple of caveats are that it doesn't scale very well with haste (you would get 5 ticks at ~50% haste) and the glyph makes WoG less effective as a quick reactive heal. Additionally, you would not want to use Eternal Glory procs on the same target, as I would assume the HoT would overwrite itself. Would Rule of Law and Last Word affect the ticks?

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saillaw · 01/31/11, 6:22 PM

The question of why the combat table coverage target is 102.4% instead of 100% came up today and I was unable to find a good answer to explain the 2.4% in terms relevant to Cata. All the old explanations I saw had references to your defence rating, parry haste and other topics that are no longer relevant. I therefore tried to make an easy to understand explanation and came up with the following:

1) Remember that a boss will be three levels higher than you. So he is 88 you are 85. We need to account for this difference.

2) This difference means that he will be more likely to hit you than a lvl 85 NPC would.

3) In addition, he reduces the chance that you can dodge, parry or block him.

4) The 2.4% is the amount you need above 100% to ensure that all physical attacks from that boss are either avoided (dodge/parried) or mitigated (blocked).

5) In math terms it looks like this: For each point of difference between the boss' level and the character's level the boss reduces its chance to miss by 0.2%, and reduces the character's chances to dodge, parry, and block by 0.2%. For a 3 point difference, (3 x 0.2%) = 0.6% - the boss increases its chance to hit by 0.6%, and reduces the character's chance to dodge, block, and parry each by 0.6%. For all four, we get (4 x 0.6) = 2.4%.

My question for this thread: Is my understanding of the 2.4% correct; and do the values still work in Cata?

Charybdis · 01/31/11, 6:34 PM

You are correct Saillaw, as far as the first tier works so far. Blizzard has hinted they might give bosses effective expertise or hit rating in the next tiers so we'll have to wait and see in that case.

malloot · 02/02/11, 12:53 PM

Does anyone know of an addon that tracks how many attacks where avoided or mitigated through blocks and sums up the average reduction done by blocks?

AceRider · 02/02/11, 1:13 PM

I havn't used it in a while but Skada Avoidance and Mitigation used to do this and when you used the addon to go in to detail it could show a breakdown of physical damage taken, avoided and mitigated by hit type.

Wrathblood · 02/02/11, 6:40 PM

Roughly speaking, assuming zero overheal, what's the range of single target healing generated by a holy pally (in whatever gear level you feel like commenting on, just let me know so I can ballpark) per 1 mana?

Edit - I might have had a tanking theorycrafting epiphany related to Theck's "maybe STR isn't such a bad tanking stat after all due to +SP", and wasn't sure where to ask this.

Lightrender · 02/02/11, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by Wrathblood

Roughly speaking, assuming zero overheal, what's the range of single target healing generated by a holy pally (in whatever gear level you feel like commenting on, just let me know so I can ballpark) per 1 mana?

Edit - I might have had a tanking theorycrafting epiphany related to Theck's "maybe STR isn't such a bad tanking stat after all due to +SP", and wasn't sure where to ask this.

I use Dr. Damage, in full 359 raiding gear/few blue heroic 5 man items, EXCLUDING POTI AND BEACON, my DL does around 4.5 hpm, holy light 5.5 hpm while FoL is 3.5 hpm. You're asking solely for single target healing but I recommend you get Dr. Damage if you want accurate numbers for your own gear. Factoring in PoTI and beacon would yield much higer numbers.