The Retribution Concordance - 4.3, Voice of the DPS - Page 109

Calefax · 12/15/11, 2:03 AM

I now have both a LFR Eye of Unmaking as well as a LFR Gurthalak. I did some testing tonight in light of what I saw people reporting in this thread.

I can confirm the numbers Antarius reported earlier in the thread about Gurthalak's base damage. I see the same results. I can also confirm that it's still possible to get either 8 or 9 ticks. I seem to get 9 more often than 8, but I don't have nearly enough test data to claim that definitively of course. Exemplar, if there is a specific buff or anything further that still needs testing on the LFR version, then let me know and I'd be happy to do it.

I can also (sadly) confirm the EoU bug that Zoidbrg reported. I am unable to stack EoU if judging from out of melee range with Seal of Truth. If I switch to SoR, then it works. ONLY SoR works. I was unable to stack EoU with truth, insight, or justice, in both my ret spec and my holy spec. With SoR I WAS able to stack in both specs. Also Ret is my primary spec, so Zoidbrg I think you can throw that theory out the window.

If parabad is not experiencing this behavior, maybe it's possible that the bug is confined to the LFR version? Parabad/Zoidbrg, which versions do you guys have?

Kadrok · 12/15/11, 2:48 AM

Originally Posted by Calefax

If I switch to SoR, then it works. ONLY SoR works. I was unable to stack EoU with truth, insight, or justice, in both my ret spec and my holy spec. With SoR I WAS able to stack in both specs.

Maybe it's possible that the bug is confined to the LFR version?

I have normal mode Eye of Unmaking, and I am experiencing the same behavior that you are, so it shouldn't be related to LFR versus normal.

Zoidbrg · 12/15/11, 2:52 AM

Originally Posted by Calefax

I can also (sadly) confirm the EoU bug that Zoidbrg reported. I am unable to stack EoU if judging from out of melee range with Seal of Truth. If I switch to SoR, then it works. ONLY SoR works. I was unable to stack EoU with truth, insight, or justice, in both my ret spec and my holy spec. With SoR I WAS able to stack in both specs. Also Ret is my primary spec, so Zoidbrg I think you can throw that theory out the window.

If parabad is not experiencing this behavior, maybe it's possible that the bug is confined to the LFR version? Parabad/Zoidbrg, which versions do you guys have?

I believe i have a possible reason for why it is working for Parabad and not for me or you Calefax. I think that, perhaps, and this is a long shot, the fact that Parabad plays an Alliance Paladin while Calefax and I play Horde Paladins could be the reason. I understand it's a stretch, but maybe the programmers forgot to edit a line of code or something. What do you guys think? I found a video of a horde paladin on Yorsahj Heroic and he had the trinket and did not get stacks from judgement of truth (i'm not sure if i'm allowed to post a link to it).

Handled · 12/15/11, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Zoidbrg

I believe i have a possible reason for why it is working for Parabad and not for me or you Calefax. I think that, perhaps, and this is a long shot, the fact that Parabad plays an Alliance Paladin while Calefax and I play Horde Paladins could be the reason. I understand it's a stretch, but maybe the programmers forgot to edit a line of code or something. What do you guys think? I found a video of a horde paladin on Yorsahj Heroic and he had the trinket and did not get stacks from judgement of truth (i'm not sure if i'm allowed to post a link to it).

Interesting find so I decided to test it out and make sure.

08:42:08.50: [Requital's] [Judgement of Truth] hits [Raider's Training Dummy] for 5128 Holy.
08:42:08.89: [Requital] gains [Requital's] [Judgements of the Bold].
08:42:08.89: [Requital] gains [Requital's] [Titanic Strength].
08:42:11.89: [Requital's] [Long Arm of the Law] fades from [Requital].

So from judging out of range with Seal of Truth it stacks the EoU for Alliance.

Trademark · 12/15/11, 11:29 AM

Belf pala with raid finder version.

SoR is stacking it but SoT, SoL and SoJ aren't.

Zoidbrg · 12/15/11, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Handled

Interesting find so I decided to test it out and make sure.

08:42:08.50: [Requital's] [Judgement of Truth] hits [Raider's Training Dummy] for 5128 Holy.
08:42:08.89: [Requital] gains [Requital's] [Judgements of the Bold].
08:42:08.89: [Requital] gains [Requital's] [Titanic Strength].
08:42:11.89: [Requital's] [Long Arm of the Law] fades from [Requital].

So from judging out of range with Seal of Truth it stacks the EoU for Alliance.

I am extremely envious right now :P. I'm not sure how to proceed from here. I have submitted a ticket to the GMs (4th one now), and i will post a bug report on the wow forums, however I'm not sure if this bug is limited to Blood elf paladins and not Tauren, or if only Human paladins are unaffected. It would be helpful if more Paladins test this out so we have more concrete information. I'm not even sure what the intended behavior is supposed to be. Maybe no one should be getting a stack from judgement of truth, but that would make the seal swapping a quality of life issue, which doesn't seem plausible. Alas, I'm just glad that we're finally getting somewhere.

As an update please PM me with your testing results as I don't want to fill this thread with one sentence posts to verify my claim. Thank you.

So far all the Horde paladin races (Tauren/Belf) are affected, and while it's safe to assume all paladin races of the Alliance are not affected, I should like to wait and hear from a Dranei and Dwarf Paladin just to rule out the race as the determining factor. Please PM me with any results.

Alensia · 12/15/11, 1:18 PM

As a human paladin with LFR EoU I can confirm that judging SoT from distance yields me a stack.

Hrothgarofl · 12/15/11, 2:42 PM

As a tauren I also don't get stacks with SoT, SoL and SoJ with the raidfinder version of EoU. SoR produces a stack titanic Strength.

mackaque · 12/15/11, 6:33 PM

Blood Elf here .. got the normal version of the trinket last night and Judging with SoT = not stack and Judging with SoR = stack .. so yeah there is a bug or something.

Alensia · 12/15/11, 6:37 PM

Gathering from the information posted here it is indeed a faction issue (maybe something lingering even from as early as TBC) and should be reported immediately.

mackaque · 12/15/11, 6:40 PM

After some testing ... if I remove my 2pt13 and reapply SoT it works .. so it seems to be the 2pt13 that cause this bug.

EDIT ... I tried again and I'm not able to get a stack now it's weird.

Hrothgarofl · 12/15/11, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by mackaque

After some testing ... if I remove my 2pt13 and reapply SoT it works .. so it seems to be the 2pt13 that cause this bug.

EDIT ... I tried again and I'm not able to get a stack now it's weird.

I can't confirm that.

On a side note Rosary of Light and Varo'then's Brooch also don't proc from Horde-SoT. On my human it does.

I would also like to ask for a horde paladin with Gurthalak if he can get a a tentacle proc from a SoT Judgement.

mackaque · 12/15/11, 7:08 PM

Did the test for you Hrothgarofl and yes Gurthalak procs on judgement for me

Ronark · 12/16/11, 1:38 AM

Messing with a LFR Gurthalak, I was able to get a proc from Seal of Truth / Command by hardcasting Exorcism. If Gurthalak is not bound by PPM rules, we could be seeing a higher uptime on the proc.

cidica · 12/16/11, 2:13 AM

I've had procs from Gurthalak from Judgement, Divine Storm and just about everything else. It has a huge uptime (at times) while doing attempts with Heroic Zon'ozz tonight we had attempts where the proc was pushing 1+ million in damage in under 2 minutes.