Honestly I don't see it stacking or DoT based, the way he mentioned the mastery it sounded like a flat % skill damage added as Holy damage, and I like it that way. We need some more burst, besides if it was DoT based it would indeed overlap with Seal of Truth, whilst an "instant strike" wouldn't. I just hope the percentage is high enough.

Anyway, I fear they might have to add another source for HP; wouldn't be good if we only end up with CS (1) and Hand of Light procs (3), no matter how high that chance will be...

I can't see them sticking to just CS + HoL for HP generation, unless perhaps they just drop the CS / DS cooldown to 3 secs and give up on Haste. Leaving it at 4.5 sec CS + HoL would break PvP for Ret.

That said, fixing our priority system to put TV back on top would be good, although hopefully the new Mastery will be enough (as the additional Holy damage would scale with Inq). I wonder perhaps if anyone's done any napkin maths to see how much +Holy damage we'd need for this...

It really all depends on the chance to proc associated with it, and which spells are able to proc HoL. If all spells currently listed on DP will be able to, then J Exo and HoW will all have a chance to proc HoL from ranged, and that would significantly increase the value for pvp, as this would give the option of procing HoL from a distance to either WoG, put up Inq, or open with TV the next time we are close enough for a melee attack. They aren't just moving HoL to DP and removing the current DP effect, they're also changing the current HoL to be more like DP.

That makes it sound pretty good actually. Un-tying it from autoattacks (by requiring usage of a filler a la Divine Purpose) and making it unable to proc from TV also has the effect of eliminating the possibility of 3+ back-to-back TVs if the burst potential of that is too high.

One idea I had regarding Seal of Truth: having TV add stacks equal to the number of Holy Power consumed would add a strategic element to it when you want to stack it up quickly on a new target - in addition to speeding the process up.

By using Redcape's spreadsheet I switched off the 'T11 - 4P - Inq + HP' and increased 'CS Weapon Damage %' by 10 (upto 126.50) and without changing any of the gear or other stats within the spreadsheet the rotation DPS came back -168. So looking at just the two set bonus' we would be at a DPS loss.

I believe that due to the different stats we would have in taking the two prot pieces we would end up stacking some Dodge, Parry or Mastery and I feel this would lead us into a greater overall DPS loss.

Let's please not start presenting ideas for Seal of Truth and other wish-listing. There is also very little to talk about with respect to the new mastery until numbers are provided.

Some preliminary testing for Darkmoon Card: Hurricane

Melee only control


With Seal of Truth, but it fell off halfway as I was AFK.


Normal rotation for 210 melee hits


All testing was done on the 85 normal dummy. It would seem that unlike TAiaJ, Hurricane does not benefit from hidden strikes from seals.

P.S. On a side note, interesting proc from avalanche from a censure tick:

It would have been better if you'd included the number of CS and TV you used in this test.

Assuming you were using your full normal gear, and assuming average proc rates for DP and HoL, in 210 melee swings you would have had 162 CS (if used on CD), 64 Judgement (known figure), 54 TV from natural HoPo generation, 22 TV from Mastery and 28 TV from Divine Purpose HoPo gains. The total number of melee attacks including whites would be 540. 37 procs from 540 is a 6.85% proc rate, consistent with the proc rates of 7.2% and 6.6% observed in the 1000-swing tests.

Barring contradictory findings, it seems safe to say that DMC:Tsunami procs at 7% and can proc from any melee attack including Judgement, but does not proc from spells, seal procs or Censure ticks. (It's not impossible that it can proc from spells, but the variation of the extremes from the average would have to be more than twice as great.)

Here is the screenshot with TV and CS numbers. The total number of strikes I am afraid is lower than your estimate.

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It may have procced at 7% (or less) for this test, but it's entirely possible (even probable) that it's a PPM mechanic, so unhasted vs hasted weaponspeed is an important factor to determine accurately.

For a full and proper test just run individual ability tests. Examples:
1) Stand off from the boss and hard cast Exo. Go for at least 100 Exo total or first Exo that procs.
2) Repeat for Holy Wrath.
3) Repeat for Consecration.
4) Repeat for Judgement
5) Autoattack with no seal for prolonged period (1k hits). This should give us an accurate baseline PPM or % chance.
6) Autoattack with seal. Stack to 5. Stop and wait. Rinse and repeat. See if any Censure ticks during no-attack periods proc.
7) Find that 90 degree sweet spot where you can CS but autoattack will not occur. Only use CS, no TV, until it procs.
8) Repeat CS test, adding in TV. Do a reasonable run of around 100 TV (Zealotry helps). Number of procs should be higher than CS alone allowing us to verify TV can proc. Alternately build to 3 HP. Wait 6 seconds, use TV. With the TV well separated in time it should be clear if it is what creates a given proc.

The goal is simply to determine which attacks are eligible to proc the card.

Please remember to remove items which proc haste and do not judge during the autoattack test, as the alteration in swingspeed would muddy testing.

Edit: Edit for posting before reading all new threads. Rogues have tested DMC: Hurricane here and are coming to possibly 1 PPM. Benefits from 8% spellpower (?!? Not sure how, this would need heavy testing for my satisfaction) and unsurprisingly crits at 150%.

I'm doing some testings with your scheme for DMC'Hurricane, so we can gather more data from different attacks, here are some results, I'll keep this post updating so someone can do the maths with Stardusty's and my data.


1) Stand off from the boss and hard cast Exo. Go for at least 100 Exo total or first Exo that procs.
2) Repeat for Holy Wrath.
3) Repeat for Consecration.
4) Repeat for Judgement

1. No Proccs (obvious)
2. No Proccs (obvious)
3. No Proccs (obvious)
4. Procced



It didn't procc from Censure Ticks but if unleashing SoT proccs it I try to figure out later.

The Trinket itself doesn't have an ICD which you can see here:

[03:50:55.119] Schädel Lightning Strike Raider's Training Dummy 4382
[03:50:56.042] Schädel's The Art of War fades from Schädel
[03:50:56.926] Schädel hits Raider's Training Dummy 1516
[03:50:57.938] Schädel Lightning Strike Raider's Training Dummy 4220

e: narlith wrote this already in his post in the Rogues Section.

And here are more results:

CS only (with 1091 haste)



CS + TV Only (with 1091 haste)



HoW Proccs it: too and you can see that the Lightning Strike ist affected by AV.