The Retribution Concordance - 4.3, Voice of the DPS - Page 22

Gavinas · 01/11/11, 8:27 AM

Originally Posted by Babathong

From what your saying, why would a Divine Purpose TV be any different than a normal TV in terms of priority? They both will hit for the same thing, and because TV hits harder than CS, I am assuming that is why TV will be ahead of CS in the priority. I see what your saying about CS coming off cd quicker, however if that were the case, why wouldn't you prioritize CS ahead of TV always? Divine Purpose now becoming our new proc mechanic, and replacing the existing HoL, I feel like it would still hold true that you would want to use the DP proc as quickly as possible in order to allow the next proc to occur. This doesnt really change much in terms of priority though because TV is ahead of CS anyways in the new system and should be used as soon as you have 3 HP as long as Inquisition is up. Also, your point about using the priority that you specified with the exception of when you have an AoW proc will no longer be valid either as Exorcism does not proc the new Mastery, which again is why I am assuming it has fallen back in the rotation.

They're different because you can still gain holy power from using CS when Divine Purpose is procced but you have <3 HP, whereas you cannot using a normal TV.

Edit: Ah my mistake, thought CS could proc Divine Purpose, it should always be better to use a CS before a Divine Purpose TV with <3 HP then.

sjogren · 01/11/11, 9:00 AM

The difference between the old HoL and the new DP is that HoL was triggered by autoattacks while DP is triggered by specials (unless they've changed that, I haven't been to the PTR yet)

CS doesn't trigger Divine Purpose, therefore CS cannot waste a Divine Purpose proc.

Exemplar · 01/11/11, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by tarja

Those values...

These two words are why I want to stress again - this was a single data point: My Present Gear. This is why I refuse to put geared weighting in the OP. It can and will fluctuate based on gear. Instead, anyone who is using Redcape's sheet or mine can get individual weighting based on their own gear. My sheet even has an item comparison to suggest possible upgrades. Another warning is an example PMed to me - Mastery looked good because the present gear was in a modeling valley. Any Mastery change pulled out of this valley back to more expected Mastery results, but it looked like a huge gain.

4 piece PvP is still solid until you get PvE epics to replace them.

As for BiS, I would believe there are at least a dozen possible combinations that would be equivalent, due to reforging. Reforge A up and B down and end results are within 1 or 2 ratings of each other. Reforging really makes a singular goal far less important. Any individual upgrade should effectively be an overall upgrade.

passengerpigeon and others about the priority - please re-read the OP. There is (and has been) an italic note under priority explaining exactly what you suggest. I don't see a reason why this special case should change.

Spyweaver · 01/11/11, 11:30 AM

New meta gems have been added: Agile Shadowspirit Diamond (Agility/3% critical damage), Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond (Strength/3% critical damage), and Burning Shadowspirit Diamond (Intellect/3% critical damage). These new recipes are unbound and can drop from any Cataclysm creature. The new meta gems have a requirement of 3 red gems equipped.

Based off this alone, as well as the spreadsheet calculations, it would be safe to assume the new Reverb. meta gem would thus be of a greater value and use to our dps than the Chatoic?

Ronark · 01/11/11, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Spyweaver

Based off this alone, as well as the spreadsheet calculations, it would be safe to assume the new Reverb. meta gem would thus be of a greater value and use to our dps than the Chatoic?

Unless this new Meta gives minimal Strength (minimal being less than proximately 20), it will be preferred over the Chatoic gem.

Doogal · 01/11/11, 12:20 PM

At a guess this will be the same value as all other metagems with a primary stat, so therefore 54 Str.

Suicidal Zebra · 01/11/11, 2:00 PM

According to WoWHead's 4.0.6 Changelog +50 Primary Stat (int/agi/str) Bracer Enchants have been added to the in-game files in the latest build. This should place JC/Blacksmithing/Enchanting/Inscription on a par with Leatherworking in terms of DPS increase. Obviously Enchant Bracer - Major Strength will be Best In Slot.

Source: date:2011-01-11 - Wowhead Search

Josefar · 01/11/11, 3:04 PM

New ptr update:

Metas grant 54str

New bracer enchant for 50str

New alchemy trinket with 301 base str red socket with 10 str bonus for a total 351 str, 194 mastery and 40% potion.

Ronark · 01/11/11, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by Doogal

At a guess this will be the same value as all other metagems with a primary stat, so therefore 54 Str.

This is correct Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond as been added to the game, making it by far the BiS Meta gem for DPS.

Addendum (Not worth a double post): Can anyone confirm on the new PTR if Inquisition is boosting Mastery damage?

Danath · 01/11/11, 6:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ronark

This is correct Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond as been added to the game, making it by far the BiS Meta gem for DPS.

Addendum (Not worth a double post): Can anyone confirm on the new PTR if Inquisition is boosting Mastery damage?

Currently the PTR employs the old build. No changes at all :/

Suicidal Zebra · 01/11/11, 7:22 PM

Latest Official Patch Notes found here:

Public Test Realm Patch 4.0.6 Notes - Updated Jan. 11 - World of Warcraft

"Seal of Truth: All single target attacks (including Judgement, Hammer of Wrath, Exorcism, and Templar's Verdict) can now trigger this seal."

Of key interest to me is that Synapse Springs now increase your 'best' primary stat by 480, rather than just Intellect. It goes without saying that this should significantly increases the value of Engineering to Ret. For those interested Forbearance's duration will now be back down to 1min, and casting LoH on any target will cause Forbearance (whereas previously it wouldn't.

Ronark · 01/11/11, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Suicidal Zebra

"Seal of Truth: All single target attacks (including Judgement, Hammer of Wrath, Exorcism, and Templar's Verdict) can now trigger this seal."

Does this mean that it will proc the seal damage, or that it will cause Censure? It sounds to be the former, except TV was already procing seal hits.

Fordragon · 01/11/11, 7:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ronark

Does this mean that it will proc the seal damage, or that it will cause Censure? It sounds to be the former, except TV was already procing seal hits.

From the description it seems that it will only proc seal dmg and not censure.

Tobrexa · 01/11/11, 8:12 PM

I found a very interesting part in the (official) patch notes:

"Seal of Truth: All single target attacks (including Judgement, Hammer of Wrath, Exorcism, and Templar's Verdict) can now trigger this seal."

source: click me

This makes me wonder: didn't TV already trigger SoT?
Furthermore the relative value of the three first abilities will surely be enhanced by this change.
Also, does this perhaps mean they apply a stack fof Censure?

Can't wait for PTRs to become available again.

edit: was beaten to the news, questions remain, delete plz if redundant post.
also: forbearance duration reduced to 1 minute but at the cost of affecting every target, not just yourself, even if casting LoH on others.

Fordragon · 01/11/11, 8:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tobrexa

I found a very interesting part in the (official) patch notes:

"Seal of Truth: All single target attacks (including Judgement, Hammer of Wrath, Exorcism, and Templar's Verdict) can now trigger this seal."

source: click me

This makes me wonder: didn't TV already trigger SoT?
Furthermore the relative value of the three first abilities will surely be enhanced by this change.
Also, does this perhaps mean they apply a stack fof Censure?

Can't wait for PTRs to become available again.

edit: was beaten to the news, questions remain, delete plz if redundant post.

On live TV isnt triggering SoT dmg, atleast my test doesn't show any SoT damage if I only cast TV.