This is about what I expected. Thank you for the response.

It will be interesting to see when (or maybe if) Blizzard decides to do something about the general ineffectiveness of Zealotry.

Keep the posts and calculations coming, guys. We're reading.

You might want to add the enchant "Enchant Boots - Haste", to the feets enchant section.

Am I the only one that feels that the state of Retribution right now is just plainly unfinished? All in all, they were right by adding Holy Power and wanting to make out rotation more interesting (was way too easy before), but really feels like they were tinkering with different stuff and ideas and abandoned many of them halfway to say the least. Just pointing some in random order:

- 4 damage increasing ablilities with cooldowns/duration between 30 seconds and 5 minutes, some affected by Holy Power (Zealotry), some affecting only a mostly RNG part of our DPS (Inquisition);

- 12 or more keys to press just for our single target/AoE rotation and so many cooldowns/buffs/RNG procs to watch that is practically impossible to play without a heavy use of addons;

- our ramp-up is horrific to say the least: we need 15-20 seconds to stack the seal five times, put Inquisition up and start to use Templar's Verdict. I could understand this back in Wrath when most of oue abilities were frontloaded, but there's no reason whatsoever to keep the same outdated mechanics now;

- having the cooldown of Crusader Strike affected by haste leads to overcomplicated gear choices/reforging and mess up our rotation/DPS; as it is now, this, combined with the abundance of mastery on gear (which is nearly useless) makes gearing feel very unnatural;

- most of our AoE abilities damage (HW, Consecration, Seals of Command) was cut to the bone leaving us only with Divine Storm which is still useless except 5 or more mobs within 8 yards and conflicts with our basic mechanic of building 3 HP and unleashing for a powerful attack.

At least for me, the spec feels way too complicated to use, and the sad thing is that the basic ideas are still very good, but it's like they just stopped working on it way too early and most of its potential remained buried under overlapping/useless abilities, clunky mechanics and a general lack of polish.

P.S. Hope it didn't sound (too much) as ranting.

I'm a bit confused about the haste cap as well. If we are below this "ultimate nirvana" should our (single target) rotation be using CS every other time even if that involves waiting for it to come off cooldown (when other abilities are actually ready) Something like:

CS - Filler *wait for CS to come off cooldown* - CS etc?

Or should we be doing like we did in Wrath where you never wanted to delay an ability as it was a DPS loss? It seems like the former but I feel like I've read conflicting information and am confused if people are waiting because it's a dps loss to use two fillers between each CS or if they're only waiting because their filler ability would break CC.

I've been using an On use Str trinket with 15 seconds left on GoAK and i know the Extra strength for sure increases the damage at the end, I have it macro'ed to my AW and i dont know if they are both increasing it but i will try to test this after raid.

Part of the December 14th hotfixes:

some good changes came out of the latest hotfix, hopefully more will come soon.

question: should we have rebuke in a macro with every ability. I remember reading that a whiles back here, but
don't know if that changed any. It would be useful to have that ability at the ready for interrupts instead of hoping that you time it right when the ability comes off CD.

Thanks

I personally am not doing this. I found the need to interrupt mobs and bosses to important to just use it off CD.

Being able to use it of GCD certainly makes healers think twice about free casting, this has been a long needed interrupt.

Dont know if this has been mentioned yet but here I go. A few night ago i was testing proc rate of the new weapon enchants trying to figure out what one I wanted and I noticed avalache was procing off the dot from SoV and glyph of exo. Dont really know if that makes a difference in glyph selection or not.

That's almost correct, you need to account for some latency still. Since CS is on CD it can't be queued early with the new system, and therefore will incur a latency effect each time it is alternated to. Therefore, at current, a CS CD of 3.0 + latency is no different from a lower CS CD until you reach the true "ultimate nirvana" of 3.0 - latency CS CD. This would allow CS to come of CD in time for the queue system to queue it to go off at the end of the GCD, however, since latency is an average, you would actually need slightly more, and even more to account for the human reaction factor. The amount for 3s is 3978. With an average latency of 100ms (not including reaction time), you'd need 4557.

Ultimately however, this level of haste is supposed to be unobtainable.

Also the weapon enchant Hurricane currently procs 2 seperate buffs; 1 for spells and 1 for melee attacks. This makes it possible to have 2 Hurricane buffs active at the same time for 900 haste rating.

I've heard reports of dual wield classes with spell damage components (enhance, rogues) can have 3 procs active at a time if both weapons are enchanted with hurricane.