This topic was covered two pages back, about 3/4 of the way down. http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t110342-...agnar_ohs/p42/

Even if you were able to finagle a perfect gear set around so that your Mastery was a little higher than your Crit, you need to remember that in a raid setting you are going to have way more Crit than you do unbuffed. I think this issue will ultimately depend on what your gear set is at any given time, and how lucky you get with drops. Right now, people using Apparatus are obviously going to be proccing Mastery, however at one point or another, your Crit rating will surpass your Mastery rating and there is not much that you can do about it.

I got Apparatus really early today so I got to test it out for all of the bosses in Firelands Normal mode. First off it stacked really slow in current gear (9 % crit without the cs glyph), I also tried with the cs glyph but since it couldn't stack up fast enough to be used with the first GoaK + wings/zealotry it wasn't really worth glyphing for because it would just be wasted after that point.

I did manage to line it up with my second wings/zealotry but it did not prove to be such a huge dps gain I had hoped for, only marginally better then using it by itself in terms of dps.

Confirmed-- There are also 391 versions of the Reputation cloaks ([Bladed Flamewrath Cover]), but it is unclear how they will be obtained (Firestones/Heroic tokens? Unlocked via achievements i.e. Defeating Rag?)


Clarification/Query: Stated strictly from the tooltip, "Consume all Titanic Power to increase your critical strike rating, haste rating, or mastery rating by 306 per Titanic Power accumulated, lasting 15 sec. The apparatus will always choose the highest of those three ratings. (2 Min Cooldown)", it will chose Haste, Mastery, or Crit based on your rating-- This excludes buffs such as Rampage and Horn of Winter from deciding the outcome of the trinket. I assume these factors are excluded?


Was this after the Hotfix for the trinkets? It could stack differently now if it includes Seal and SoC crits.

This was yesterday 29/6 Central European Summer Time (CEST) +0200 UTC.

I do not know if a hotfix has gone in for the EU servers yet(?)

I did some extensive testing on dummies now at 10 PM CEST, and it seems to only be proccing from Judgement, CS , Hammer of Wrath and Templar's Verdict and Divine storm.

It does not proc from Seal or SoC crits, nor from censure (obvious).

The only way I see it being able to stack up fast enough ( if you don't get rng obviously) is if you abuse some kind of aoe with Divine storm.

If they change it so it stacks on Seal and Soc crits then it will be very viable , I would assume.

Gonna agree with baba on this one. After messing around with Redcape's spreadsheet for a few hours the few combinations I could make with more mastery than crit the trinket still didn't pull ahead in dps. Ended up coming out with Vessel and Eseence on top. The on demand str tied with cds is really nice just the same. From what I've seen overall the haste/mastery values seem to stay the same and my crit, and str is really the only thing going up. At least from my live set to heroic gear.

This is a known issue reported in the 4.2 Known Issue & Bug Reports:

Some trinkets received in Firelands (Apparatus of Khaz'goroth, Necromantic Focus, Vessel of Acceleration, and Matrix Restabilizer) are displaying incorrect stat values in their buff and item tooltips, the values applied are correct.

My spreadsheet "intelligently" picks your highest stat for Apparatus - if Mastery is ahead, then it will pick that for you and model appropriately. It does include procs from other trinkets in this determination, so its intelligence can be fooled into selecting a stat and retaining it based on its own averaged value. I.e. Mastery is ahead by 1 rating, Apparatus says it will give you Mastery - suddenly ahead a couple hundred - swap an item, still thinks you're ahead because its staring at its own navel.

To clarify for Ronark, yes, my spreadsheet selects based on rating values when it does it's semi-intelligent selection for Apparatus. It does not include Crit Aura, Kings, HoW, etc.

A /cancelaura on Vessel to get Apparatus to proc Mastery does not appear to be a net gain, assuming you can even pull it off properly (server timing issues can be involved).

As I stated yesterday, and Babathong's gear attempts seem to be verifying, Crit Rating is going to be higher than Mastery rating in this tier. I'm really puzzled by this trinket - why not set it (like trinkets such as Deathbringer's Will) to select a specific stat based on class. It's not like classes can gear for the stat they desire it to proc when we've only got 7 bosses dropping loot - doesn't exactly give a lot of wiggle room for variant items.

Unreleated, but when I looked at Tier swaps, they should be the fairly typical: 4 T11 -> 2 T11 + 2 T12 -> 4 T12.

Good to know-- This, combined with the stacking issue factor Dreamy0 presented makes the trinket more work than it truly is.

Off topic, Regarding our Opening once you have T12 4pc: Would it seem like we'd be better off using Zeal in our opening adjacent to GAnK, allowing Zeal to benefit fully from the sub-20 stacks of GAnK?

As in, casting Zeal and GAnK at the same time, while still using a Golemsblood 10 seconds in and the On Use from Essence at 15 seconds? Due to Zealotry's 35 second duration, it wouldn't benefit from any additional buffs besides GAnK and Hero/Lust/Time Warp.

Not in my sheet. It would require a good number of manhours to change fields and macro calculations to accommodate tanking stats being reforged to DPS stats. Redcape's could handle it, as you just input the raw numbers, but it wouldn't factor in the set bonus(es).

From previous tests others have done, it is uniformly a DPS loss to use tanking gear. You could use tank gear to bridge from blues through tank epics to DPS epics due to iLevel with Str and Mastery overpowering the lost stat. But in T12 you typically lose Str on a tanking item and the lost Ratings are a huge impact. Every tier since BC, someone has asked about 2 tank and 2 DPS pieces and every single time the answer has been not worth it.

Ronark - I added a breakdown on CD usage under the T12 set bonus in the OP as it does break from previous ordering. I even added a castsequence macro that could be used, though you have to watch buff timers or add delayed whispers to yourself to cue when to engage the next segment.

I'm a tank primarily and so I bought the Firebound Gorget. I plan to also use it for my Ret set because I'm low priority for DPS gear. Would it be possible to get it added to the spreadsheets as well please even though it's not a contender for BiS? It doesn't have any specific tank stats on it, so it wouldn't seem to be excluded under the above statement.

STR is still your biggest moneymaker iirc, but I've been super busy and haven't done any math - even napkin math - for 4.2. Take my word with a grain of salt.