Has anyone else noticed their Lay on Hands giving two procs from Glyph of Divinity?
I was browsing through some WoL logs of my raids today and noticed that I had two procs from glyph of divinity each fight, for 20% of my mana overall, then I checked the log and noticed that it would proc double, within a few ms of each other.

The "Double Proc" has nothing to deal with who you cast Lay on Hand's on. So feel free to cast LoH on anyone who needs the healing!

Trading you instant huge emergency heal for less than 5k extra mana is not a good trade in my opinion. I believe LoH should only be used as a mana-cooldown when you're really about to run out of mana.

I hate to ask apparently dumb questions here, but what is EP value in this table? Is the Spirit from Vibrant Alchemist Stone calculated as if you're using Mythical Mana Potions or Potions of Concentration? Is this arranged in BiS order; in other words, are you saying that the Stone is better than heroic Fall of Mortality, and if so, can you kindly explain why?

While I wholeheartedly agree, you mainly just pointed out an inherent flaw with using stat weights in the first place: Stat synergies will always fluctuate the value of each stat based on the amount you already have on your gear.

As far as the stat weights being 'incorrect', they seem to be (what I would consider to be) the most likely/accurate stat weights that have been worked out in this thread. I'd be happy to rework these numbers, but it's hard to do so without more accurate stat weights being provided.

PS. I realize you gave your stat weights earlier, but you declared them as a work in progress and I hesitate to assume credibility on such a math-heavy matter without seeing the math behind them.


The trinkets are simply sorted by high-low EP value using the stat weights provided. If you assume that the stat weights used are accurate, then yes, you could say it is arranged in BiS order.

On the topic of Mythical vs. Concentration, I honestly don't remember , so I'm going to rerun the calculations and find out.

I understand, and thank you for the reply. However, I have not been able to find anywhere on this thread what "EP" stands for.

I'm sorry if the question is dumb, I just simply can't find the answer, and therefore I don't know how to interpret your chart.

EP stands for Equivalence points, another way of saying stat weights, basically. Higher EP value means (in theory) it is a better trinket.

Was actually in the process of doing that when you posted that suggestion.

Revised the Tear of Blood spirit value using the time to procs from dcemuser and added seperate entries for Concentration vs. Mythical Pots.

That's a very good point. I suppose it depends really on a fight to fight basis, but usually when my Holy Priest starts casting Hymn of Hope, there is a lot of healing that she can't do while channeling, so I tend to use Lay on Hands as a two fold purpose:

1. A big heal - waiting until the tank gets low or hitting a low hp random DPS if the tank is at around half (well, I won't be able to do that in 4.0.6, but still). While she is channeling Hymn, we'll have to pick up her healing slack, and using cooldowns is a good way to do it. I could always use Avenging Wrath or other shorter CDs here, and maybe I should instead.
2. A big mana return from Glyph of Divinity + Hymn of Hope

I suppose what works in normal modes doesn't always work in heroic modes though.

Edit:

Also, I've been thinking about a really old trinket that I had in my bank the other day and wondered about its viability post-4.0.6: Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon - Item - World of Warcraft.

Right now, it is absolutely overpowered because of its interaction with Mana Tide (screenshot from WoWHead comments: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...010_033858.jpg), but I'm curious if it will remain viable post 4.0.6 just due to its interaction with whatever second trinket you have (plus Heartsong or Power Torrent and other things).

Let me grab some numbers from my character now.

Edit2:
When Aura of the Blue Dragon procced, I activated my Core of Ripeness, and my Mana & Combat Regen increased to 5858. When the proc faded but my trinket was still active, my combat regen dropped to 3514. Afterwards, my mana regen dropped to 3644 and my combat regen dropped to 2408.

Assuming the card procs at least every minute so we can time 15 of its uptime with the trinket and a separate 15 without, it provides 2344 mp5 for 15 seconds of the trinket time, and 1236 mp5 without the trinket proc. That comes out to an average of 447.5 mp5.

As for the really rough assumption on the proc rate, I believe that PotI, Enlightened Judgements, and even Beacon will proc it, so even at a 2% proc rate, assuming a minute isn't a bad idea. If I remember, I'll try to equip it for an Omnitron kill or something easy so I can measure the gains and proc rate in a real environment.

Of course, the big kicker is the lack of intellect, so unless somebody can come up with a clever thing to time it with (Mana Tide would have been big, but it is going away in its current form), it may just be a semi-viable pre-raid trinket and little else.

Edit3: I don't think PotI, Beacon, or Enlightened Judgements proc it. Holy Radiance TICKS don't, cast probably does, but that would take a long long time to confirm. It's safe to assume it does since it is a spell cast.

Seems to me like it would still stack with Mana Tide in 4.0.6. Really just comes down to that it's a lot more viable for Shaman healers simply because they can pop their totem as soon as it procs.

Holy Radiance ticks don't appear to proc it - at least it didn't standing in the middle of 5 people over around 10 casts of it.

The casts probably do, though.


aggixx: With the new Mandala of Stirring Pattern's INT proc, you may want to add it to your table. If you use Divine Plea during Mandala procs, it could come out to be really amazing.