We're going to try an experiment; forum rule #7 ("Do not beg for hand-holding.") is not in effect for this thread. If you're not happy with your performance and want some advice, post here. Some guidelines:

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Sorry to the above poster -- I am too new to raiding to offer up much advice for you.

My problems:
I just started raiding not that long ago and from the WoL logs, I just do not have the throughput of everyone else in the guild.

Here is Tuesday nights raid [25 man, all normal modes]:
25 man log

I am Edendes, Holy Pally. My Armory
I received the Glaciated Helm last night, but didn't have the gems/enchants ready so I don't have it on in the snapshot.

I am having really big problems with my healing throughput. My assignments are not dying but I am consistently at least 3k below the other healers.

Examples:
Omnotron: Me: 6200, Disc Priest 7200, HPally 8670, Druid 9600, Druid 10400 [I was on the guild main tank] -- the wipe on Omnotron is when we tried to do it with someone afk at front of zone... apparently that causes a reset.
Maloriak: HPally 7000, Me 7337, Druid 7700, Disc Priest 8050, Druid 9145 [I was on add tank]
Atramedes: HPally 5066, Me 5640, Disc Priest 7415, Druid 9845, Druid 10000 [I was on the melee group consistening of 3 people]
Halfus: Me 8460, HPally 10363, Holy Priest [disc priest had to leave] 12297, Druid 12560, Druid 12940 [I was on OT]
Twins: Me 6400, Holy Priest 9800, HPally 10020, Druid 12580, Druid 12740 [I was on the melee group of 3]

Magmaw was the sloppiest kill ever -- Parasites were running rampant and I sneezed in the middle of the fight and pressed forward, falling into the freaking lava. I'm sure I won't ever hear the end of that one, so please ignore the numbers from that one.

Note: We were using ~5 healers and were short anywhere from 1-3 dps the whole evening.

No one in the heal team has said anything, but I am really disappointed in myself -- I just think I should be doing more, adding more value. It seems ridiculous that I am 3-6k lower than anyone else. Their gear might be slightly better but there isn't that big of a difference [~4 iLevel]. I am always casting either Shock / Holy Light / Divine Light. I guess part of my frustration is that I am always casting yet my #'s are still very low.

So if anyone can offer advice -- please have at it, I always want to improve and it seems that there is a lot of room for it now. We have been short on healers [running with 5] and I need to not be carried.

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

Hi!

I am playing a retri pala named "Trugat" Trugat @ Rajaxx - Spiel - World of Warcraft.

I started raiding seriously when I joined my current guild. Since then, my gear improved quite a lot and with patch 4.0.6 I felt like the pala got a nice dps boost. But since 2-3 weeks, I notice that I do significant less damage. I upgraded gear (mostly to T10) so maybe I did a mistake there?

In a 10man raid, I did Cho'gall with about 12k, and I've got a log with 13,5k dps batteling Atrimedis: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

My rota is as recommended:

INQ (at 3HP & if run out) - CS - HoW (if available)- Filler: Exo/Seal of Truth/...

I also try to use all CDs as often as possible (installed OmniCC to track them).

It seems I'vent got enough mastery to make damage thorugh "hand of light". Any ideas? Should I exchange the alchi trinket? I also needed to reforge quite a lot to reach the hit & expterise cap. This feels somehow strange ;-)

And finally - since Patch 4.1 I it seems sometimes a spell does not trigger? E.g. at 3HP & templars verdict, the TP does not trigger if I press the key. I installed "Snowfallkeypress" a long time ago, maybe it interfers with the new patch?

I am glad for any idea to improve my char and playstyle :-)
Thank you very much!

@trugat

General Issues:

1. Your gemming choices are wrong. You should gem pure +Str gems on all slots and skip bonuses unless the bonus will provide you with the same or a higher amount of Str had you used Pure +Str gems. Hit can come from reforging your gear, and by using gems to meet your Hit cap you are wasting slots that could be filled with +Str gems.That is assuming you have enough stat on gear to fullfil your caps, which i think you do.
   
2. Your enchants are sub-optimal. There are better gloves enchants (+35 Str, +50 Str) and a better wrist enchant (+50 Str). Maelstroms are cheap after 4.1, so you should have no problems getting those done now.
   
3. Your Inquisition uptime is low. Inquisition uptime is very important to our DPS, you must keep it up at all times. This is certainly hindering your mastery damage. Keeping this up will get a lot easier once you have access to 4p T11.
   
4. Your CD usage is wrong. You should always use Zealotry and Avenging Wrath togheter, and try to line it up with GoAK whenever you can. Also, unless there's some specific situation you want to save your CDs for, you never want to delay your CD usage. You could have used your GoAK twice and your other CDs at least once more.
   
5. Exchange your trinket. License to Slay is the BiS trinket for most encounters, you should use it if you can afford it.

Issues specific to the fight:

1. CD usage: It's easy to predict your CD usage in this fight: Use at pull and then they should come off CD about the time Atramedes land from each air phase. This should help predict when you should have your HP ready to refresh Inq just before you blow your CDs.
   
2. Squeezing that DPS: During the air phase, Atramedes is within your range of attack of your 3 ranged abilities: Judgement, Exorcism and HoW. You should use Judgement and HoW on cooldown and use Exrocism wisely, as your mana allows. There's enough time to cast an Exorcism after each Sonar Bomb.

Hi saboya!

Thank you very much for your time to answer my post! I have some more questions regarding your ideas:

I already assumed thats the issue. My question is, during zealotry INQ could run out, should I refresh it? During zealotry my rota looks like:

CS - TV - (Filler) - CS - TV - (Filler) ... so I need to exchange a TV against INQ. Right?

As far as I know, Str is my best stat, so, why is License to Slay BiS for me? Should I change it against the alchemists stone?

Since I am not native English, what is GoAK?

Cheers!

It is best to refresh Inquisition with 3 HP before even touching Zealotry. Having to refresh it in the middle of the cooldown hurts its value.

[License to Slay] has a stacking strength buff that ends up being about 350 to 360 strength when one factors the buff uptime. The real reason to use License to Slay over the alchemy stone is the extra ratings on it. License to Slay has 321 Hit Rating, while the alchemy stone only has 194 Mastery Rating. In short, yes you should equip License to Slay instead of the alchemy stone.

GoAK is Guardian of Ancient Kings.

Well im kinda nervous,

Im currently in a 25man guild that is working on Heroic Nefarian.
But over the past few weeks I have been feeling as if my HPS is not reflecting my gear.
I figure this discrepancy is a result of gear, play style, or raid comp and wanted to see what other high-end, and educated Holy Paladins had to say.
It may also be that I'm performing fine, its just that druids inflate meters (Though I don't think that.)
I am actually quite disappointed in my performance these last few weeks, and was looking for some pointers on how to improve.

Armory:
Svjetlo - Korgath
The only time I use the other spec is for dispell fights.
ATM my glyphs are a bit wonky,
Ive been glyphing Divine Protection, Divine Plea, and Beacon for Hardmode Nef.
(Beacon seeing as it helps a bit to switch it to cinders when on pillars.)
But all the other pulls Beacon has been switched with Light of Dawn.

Logs:
25man
10Man
In these attempts, I don't feel as if I'm doing anything wrong,
I may be using ToR to much on some fights (H Omni) when raid damage has regular intervals.
Also I do not use Holy Radiance regularly, for I am always nervous of going oom and letting the tanks die (I am the primary the tank healer.)

As I said before, I am quite disappointed in myself,
I'm always pushing a rank on most fights, but can never seem to get those last few HPS needed to rank.
I could really use some reassurance or tips on how to improve. =]

ALSO: Id like to clarify as to whether it is better for me to pick up the normal tier pieces over my current heroic offset pieces.

There are some minor improvements that you can make to your gear, such as getting 4 piece and dropping the expertise chest, but the impact won't make for a several thousand DPS difference.

When comparing logs between different raid groups, a huge factor to take into consideration is fight length. vodka's fight was over 3 minutes shorter than your fight, meaning that vodka's players enjoy a higher percentage of the fight with strength pots and bloodlust up than you do.

I didn't look at Landsoul's numbers (I don't see much point comparing a warrior in 1 raid with a paladin in another), but I looked at the ret in vodka's log, Flash. Even though his log is over 3 minutes shorter than yours, he still did more damage than you did with Censure. This suggests to me that you didn't make any attempt at maintaining Censure stacks on both dragons simultaneously. The biggest thing you can do to "not suck" on this particular fight is keep Censure stacked on the dragon that's in the air using Judgement or AoW-procced Exorcism. Convincing your raid members to keep debuffs on the boss that's in the air would help as well (especially CoE/E&M/Ebon Plaguebringer).

Bear in mind that our DPS also relies on RNG quite a bit. Most of the time people get their priorities wrong, but sometimes it's just plain RNG. I've seen logs with as many as double the Divine Purpose and Art of War procs, with the same fight length. Don't forget about that when analyzing your logs and comparing it to others.

If you're still looking for help, I've noticed a few things after going through your logs a bit (mostly Nef)

1. Your judgement uptime is extremely low, on your kill on 5-12-11 you have 78.6% judgement uptime with only 15 casts. You should judge on cooldown as it is our best source of mana gains with seal of insight.

2. Your Holy Radiance usage, you should be able to use it for every electrocute unless your guilds DPS is incredibly high. Don't be afraid to, if you use your judgement correctly you should more than make up the mana used.

3. You only have one use on Avenging Wrath and one on Divine Favor for the entire encounter, they're both very strong cooldowns to use more periodically than that.

4. Your use of Guardian of Ancient Kings, Theres a couple of different options you could use this for on Nef. Depending on whether you're on a two or three healer platform in phase 2, you can use it for the initial pickup, especially if your platform gets multiple cinders and possibly use it for an electrocute later on in the fight for a pickup, again DPS dependent for time. Or just use it for an electrocute pickup and get significantly more healing than 66,689.

@Retribution:

I only looked at your omnitron kill since you died early on atramedes/chim and magmaw/halfus dps gets really skewed because of bonus damage during specific parts of the fights. Aside from the fact that you're a 10m raid and consequently missing a few raid buffs (e.g. 4% physical), this is what I noticed:

1) Your inquisition uptime is VERY low. 31.1% uptime is not good. You have a ton of mastery on your gear so this really holds back your dps. You want this uptime to be as close to 100% as possible. Getting your 4pc will help with this, but it's obvious that you are letting it fall off without realizing it on occasion. I'd recommend you use an addon like clcret or power auras to help you keep track of it.

2) Your cd usage is poor A 5:25 fight is long enough to use AW/zealotry 3 times each. In addition to only using them once each, you also failed to use your guardian of ancient kings entirely, and didn't pop a golemblood potion either. So much of ret dps is reliant on proper cd usage.

3) Your holy power generation is low. 42 crusader strikes in a 5:25 fight. Definitely seems like you're not using it as much as you should. The only time you should hit something other than CS when it's off cd is if you already have 3 hp.