Holy is only my offspec, so I won't be great at analyzing in detail, but the fact that your holy pally is using HR or LoD AT ALL in this situation is pretty silly. You are in a 10 man guild on a fight where no more than 3 people should be taking damage at any given time, and the remaining 7 shouldn't be taking any. On top of that, you are running 3 healers and assigning your holy paladin to tanks AND the raid is (presumably) quite spread out. Holy Radiance is a complete waste of mana in a situation like this, and WoG will be a far better choice compared to LoD for similar reasons.

Honestly, aside from using HR and LoD on a fight where it doesn't make sense to, I don't think your holy pally is playing that poorly at all. You claim that tank healing was the issue, yet in the 7 wipes you linked in that log, the tank died first in only one of them (excluding immolation trap--healers shouldn't be asked to heal through that). You have dps getting cleaved by Shannox, tanks getting hit by immolation traps, dps dying to Rageface, and dps getting hit by the spear AOE. Fixing these things will go a long way for your healers' mana. Your longer attempts that aren't even kills are already over 9 minutes long. I don't know if that's normal for a 10m group (I run 25s), but my guild kills normal shannox in 6 minutes and heroic in 4.5 and I don't really think our dps is that impressive.

Forgive me in advance for not being able to cover up everything in your post or everything that can be seen on your log.

As with GlacialRet, your log shows 44 CSs in 3.56 mins. That's 1 CS/5.36 second. Given that most of the time you'll be nuking Occu'thar with minor/zero movement, with the exception of the time you have to stack up for the Eyes, I'd suggest that you should look a bit into your CS usage before everything else. Less CS = Less HP = Less TV,Inq uptime, HoL = Less DPS.

Your CD usage is satisfactory, maybe the trick for squeezing an extra bit of DPS lies in aligning your major CDs altogether. Give it some shots on the dummies, macro your Zealotry and AW, pop your GoAK and after 10 seconds (assuming that you have refreshed your Inq and have 3 HP) hit the macro. On bosses, this generally does the trick.

Maybe your concern about the priority system lies on the fact that our random generated procs, when proc'ing altogether may confuse you. The rule of thumb is, before everything else, make sure that Inquisition is always refreshed, sacrificing a TV from a DivPurp proc in favor of refreshing Inq is a definite DPS gain. Next, always time your skills in such fashion that no matter what procs, you will hit CS right when it's off cooldown.

To round things up and save you from looking through a pile of jibberjabber for some sought-after advice, work on your CS usage.
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You forgot the part where he used DS too.

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Here are some logs from last night heroic rhyolith Rhyolith I have been doing somewhat ok with it but I need to know what im doing wrong to get me out of the bottom 10% of the population.

Here are my logs for beth, baleroc alysrazor

I am having some real trouble with beth, seem to always be last, I am assigned for bottom raid healing, beacon on drone tanks.

Baleroc I am assigned to melee torrent targets until first crystal and next crystal I heal tank. Normally always last .

I normally do pretty good on alysrazor but im healing is always low, it does seem to be because my side doesnt take as much dmg as the other but still im very low.

Here is the past couple weeks of logs if anyone wanted to look at them.

Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Looks like holy Shock and Beacon are a lot lower than the other paladin heals in your guild and that is what is causing you to lose much healing done as on Baleroc, arde had 41 Holy shocks to your 21, so that's almost 7 WoG's or LoD's. Also your beacon for the same fight was awful for healing. If it was put on the OT then it would have helped a lot more towards your healing done. And you need to judge and divine plea more as your top healer had 2 1/2 times more mana regen then your seal of insight and his divine plea was about the same even though you got more vital flame stacks than him he still had more procs.

I normally have holy shock on cool down 100% of the time, I also put my beacon on the tank above so I don't think it was hitting. Thank you for the advice and please others if you have any comments please let me know! I need all the help I can get, I am currently below 10% of the holy pally populations and its very disturbing to me.

You can use WoL's expression editor to filter the log, using something like
By the power of copy&paste, I managed this: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

To start, a caveat: My apologies, I have no facility in deciphering Cyrillic, much less actively understanding the Russian language. As such I'm unable to determine if you just stand and pew-pew Cho'gall or assist on adds (though I believe the latter). Any fight that involves target swaps and/or reasonable movement will not provide the best log data. It's difficult to tell whether you're "doing it wrong" or are stuck away from a target and unable to do what would otherwise be the perfect priority. Analysis below is based on the idea you are able to hit a target every CS CD, which may be untrue on this particular fight if you are running around.

Based on sjogren's link your Inq faded 7 times and was refreshed 6 times. It fell off entirely 7 times before you started it new and only 6 times refreshed it. Definitely need to pay more attention to your Inq timer. I would highly recommend something that warns you when it's at or under 5 seconds (or shows a timer bar you can move somewhere noticeable) - mods such as Power Auras or Elk's Buff Bars would permit that if you do not already use one.

One time it dropped for less than half a second - okay, can happen. The killers are the times it dropped for 5-6 seconds. That means you had time for 2 CS before you put it back up and that you probably misused 3 HP in the last 3-4 seconds of the last Inq for a TV instead of a refresh. That's an enormous amount of lost Holy damage - all our fillers are Holy damage, as is Censure. The only thing not directly gaining from Inq is autoattack (even CS and TV gain from 30% of their HoL). Rough guesstimate, but you're losing about 20% total damage for those 5-6 seconds.

Refreshing Inq at 1 or 2 HP eats some additional GCD over the course of the fight, so it's not the perfect ideal, but it's far better than losing Inq entirely. Partially dependent on your Haste, but I often find if it's going to expire I can do a 1 HP Inq and the 12 seconds gives me exactly the time necessary to earn 3 HP for a full fresh Inq. I think this was intended in Blizzard's extension from 10 to 12 seconds.

Thanks for the replies. It seems I don't know how to use WOL, as the total log time is about a minute longer than the fight length, if I divide total Inq time by fight length I get about 92%. I thought wol was supposed to do that by default?
A bit off-topic here, is there any tool to translate logs before uploading them? I believe it won't be hard to make one, but I don't have an up-to-date english client to grab spell names from.

For the fight I was mostly on the boss, switching to elementals when the raid was busy with other adds (otherwise elementals got cleaved).
Thanks for the heads up on 1hp Inq, I do that sometimes but the way clcret only suggests refreshing with 3hp makes me think its not intended to be used that way. No, I don't go entirely by what the addon is suggesting, I just thought if refreshing inq even with 1 hp was a big deal then this would've been added as a special case.
So, for example, starting a fight with (judge-)cs-inq is better than waiting for 3hp?

I feel like my HPS are low. I think I should be able to do more but Im stuck. I all most always am a main tank healer. I think one of my biggest issues is not using my CDs at the right points during a fight or just missing them all together. Most of the time I am fine on mana.

Here is a link to the last world of logs.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Here is a link to our Rag kill.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis


Here is a link to my armory.

Müdack @ Runetotem - Game - World of Warcraft

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks Müdack